Pierret Photocast

[Jazzbrass]

I have just put on line a postcast on Pierret and their Stencils, if it interests you, you will be able to subscribe there, do not hesitate to announce me my possible errors (errare humanum est) and to send your treasures to me to be added :

http://photocast.mac.com/mjean2/iPhoto/pierret---jeuffroy-et-stencils/index.rss

[Jazzbrass]

From
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?p=453542#post453542 :


Good I will try to be clear, today here are what I think:

1 In 1906 L. working Pierret ex of Mons, Millereau (repurchased in 1931 by Selmer) and Besson create its company which will be repurchased by Selmer in 1950 but guard the patents with its name. It will continue to make manufacture under its name in Mantes La Jolie (close to Paris) by various neighbors and friends (Selmer, Beaugnier…) and inter alia various stencil key sets “stencils” like the fact so well Couesnon.

2 Selmer which has its factory with Mantes is at the time a mark less famous than Pierret and no doubt, in my spirit, that Selmer arranges its 22 then studies its MK6 in the shade of Pierret which it also manufactures under the benevolent eye of L. Pierret which monitors also its stencil key sets manufactured by Beaugnier in the factory of at side. This until 1970 dates to which the MK6 confirmed its position on the market. In 1930 Selmer repurchased part of Sax, its stencil key sets, its material, the street Myrha or it installed seat and shop. It leaves with A.E. Sax the mark “Lyrist” which will be manufactured in Mantes by Selmer or Beaugnier until 1950 when A.E.Sax gives up its rights. (one curiously observes an identical garland on Beaugnier and Lyrist)

3 In 1927 Beaugnier joins Siour successor of Vault melts his company located 118 data bases Voltaire in Paris then with Mantes the City. For lack of a rigorous management in spite of a higher quality Beaugnier ceases its activity in 1967.
The factory is repurchased by Leblanc with the personnel and his production under its mark and its stencil key sets until 1973 will continue. Meanwhile Leblanc with open with Vito Pascucci a factory with Kenoska. Beaugnier is then associated Dolnet which takes it again personnel Lelanc and the French factory until 1986. Beaugnier will thus make sax under the marks Vito, Leblanc, Noblet, Martin and even some Yanagisawa without to count famous “the stencil key sets”
After its repurchase by Steinway in 2004, the loop is buckled Leblanc Inc. includes/understands maintaining the marks: Armstrong, Artley, Bach, Benge, Conn, King, Holton, Martin, Selmer the USA, Selmer Paris, Leblanc, Vito, Yanagisawa, PRIMA Sankyo, Scherl and Roth, Lewis, Glassel, Musser and Ludwig it is it that one calls the concentration capital intensive “World Company”

4 As opposed to what I had written SML did not succumb to the charms of Leblanc. Strasser Marigaux and Lemaire were founded in 1934 by three associated: Charles Strasser, a businessman who was born in Switzerland; Marigaux, a manufacturer of instrument which came from Dresser-Cramp, where his/her father was “a Master craftsman” and Lemaire. After the death of Lemaire, the company became “Strasser-Marigaux” Marigaux died in beginning of the Seventies, leaving Strasser single owner of the company. Strasser then sold with SML (They continue to employ these initial) with a company Strasser-Marigaux SA.
SML started to make saxophones when the company was founded two years before Selmer. They presented a saxophone of revolutionary action. SML ceased the production of the saxes in 1982; when, the company made 400 saxes per year. It also sold stencil key sets to King, under the name “King Marigaux. ” A spokesman of company said that SML had stopped to make saxophones because “Us let us not can do better than Selmer “

But all that is only calculations that you will be able to demolish with blow massive arguments….

[SAXISMYAXE]

Excellent information Jazzbrass, I'm very happy that you found and joined the SOTW forums! Thank you for posting this.

[Pete]

You're copying and pasting SML info. Allow me to copy and paste more:

*SML starting producing saxophones around 1934, 1935, 1936 or 1937, depending on which documentation you use -- SML reports on their website (http://www.sml-marigaux.com/) that they were founded on January 12, 1935. Fred Cicetti quotes the date of 1934 in one of his articles (http://www.saxontheweb.net/SML/thestory.html) and suggests later that saxophone production may have started in 1937.

* Officially, SML says they stopped manufacturing saxophones in 1981 (Fred Cicetti mentions 1982 -- and this is supported by Nora Post (http://web.archive.org/web/20020205112154/http://www.norapost.com/marigaux.html)). The last SML-labelled horn seems to have been produced no later than s/n 265xx and there appears to have been only King Marigaux stencils available until after 265xx. I've received an e-mail from someone who insists he bought his 27xxx Marigaux new in 1986.

* SML produced, at their highest maximum, 400 horns a year, according to an SML spokesman (http://web.archive.org/web/20020205112154/http://www.norapost.com/marigaux.html). It's entirely probable that this spokesman was referring to production of the Gold Medal, because production needs to be considerably higher to make the serial number chart work. Remember: in approximately 20 years they went from s/n 1 to 15xxx.
I've got a few more things on my website, too.

Regarding Leblanc purchasing SML, I believe that's a misinterpretation of Vito Pascucci's comments from several years back: he admired the SML, but he had the Beaugnier facility. Check out http://www.geocities.com/harrir/saxophone/vito.html and the Beaugnier he's talking about that he wanted to reproduce is the Leblanc System horn. He's just equating it with being as good as SML (which is a matter of opinion).

Additionally, I think Mr. Pascucci confused his instruments: King was bought out by Seeburg and King sold the King Marigaux -- which was a stencil of the SML Gold Medal. I have not found any information anywhere that SML has, at any time, been bought out by a non-European company. Indeed, if you check the archives here, one of SML's product managers is violently opposed to the mere suggestion.

Jazzbrass, while I very much so appreciate your e-mail, if Robert Martin stenciled mainly from Couesnon, I haven't seen it. The only Robert Martin sax I've seen was a Pierret stencil. IIRC, Robert Martin was a clarinet manufacturer and everything else was a stencil. Couesnon did stencil saxophones for folks, most notably Selmer, but I haven't seen any mention of them doing that after 1931 or so.

[Jazzbrass]

You're copying and pasting SML info. Allow me to copy and paste more:Jazzbrass, while I very much so appreciate your e-mail, if Robert Martin stenciled mainly from Couesnon, I haven't seen it. The only Robert Martin sax I've seen was a Pierret stencil. IIRC, Robert Martin was a clarinet manufacturer and everything else was a stencil. Couesnon did stencil saxophones for folks, most notably Selmer, but I haven't seen any mention of them doing that after 1931 or so.

I had, a few years ago, a flugelhorn signed Martin with Mâcon, which was appraised by Jean Michel Renard like a Stencil of Couesnon.

See on this subject my page:
http://web.mac.com/mjean2/iWeb/Brasswind/99CD0A5E-15EC-46A1-AD6A-28F098233721.html

I currently write a history of Couesnon, I were unaware of that Couesnon had worked out Stencils for Selmer. I am thus very interested by information which you have on this subject

[samsax51]

Hello,
I a long time sought the job number on my Saxophone Tenor Super Artist silver plated PIERRET and I finally found it! Good numbers of their job numbers are indicated to the back of the sax inside the protection located at the top of the stop support inch right hand, alternative tact Fa#! Thus my saxophone has the job number 16623, it would have gone back according to the indication to Jazzbrass of the years after 1950. If you have information on the job numbers Pierret, like their dates of manufacture, do not hesitate to communicate them, thank you. Good research and discovered. Samsax51.

Bonjour,
J'ai longtemps recherché le numéro de série sur mon Saxophone Ténor Super Artiste argenté PIERRET et je l'ai enfin trouvé ! Un bon nombres de leurs numéros de séries sont indiqués au dos du sax à l'intérieur de la protection située au dessus du butoir support pouce main droite, doigté alternatif Fa# ! Donc mon saxophone a le numéro de série 16623, il devrait daté suivant les indications de Jazzbrass des années postérieures à 1950. Si vous avez des informations sur les numéros de séries Pierret, ainsi que leurs dates de fabrications, n'hésitez pas à les communiquer, merci.
Bonnes recherches et découvertes.
Samsax51.

[xax]

Hello,
I a long time sought the job number on my Saxophone Tenor Super Artist silver plated PIERRET and I finally found it! Good numbers of their job numbers are indicated to the back of the sax inside the protection located at the top of the stop support inch right hand, alternative tact Fa#! Thus my saxophone has the job number 16623, it would have gone back according to the indication to Jazzbrass of the years after 1950. If you have information on the job numbers Pierret, like their dates of manufacture, do not hesitate to communicate them, thank you. Good research and discovered. Samsax51.

Bonjour,
J'ai longtemps recherché le numéro de série sur mon Saxophone Ténor Super Artiste argenté PIERRET et je l'ai enfin trouvé ! Un bon nombres de leurs numéros de séries sont indiqués au dos du sax à l'intérieur de la protection située au dessus du butoir support pouce main droite, doigté alternatif Fa# ! Donc mon saxophone a le numéro de série 16623, il devrait daté suivant les indications de Jazzbrass des années postérieures à 1950. Si vous avez des informations sur les numéros de séries Pierret, ainsi que leurs dates de fabrications, n'hésitez pas à les communiquer, merci.
Bonnes recherches et découvertes.
Samsax51.
Samsax51. You da man! That's a great piece of information! (Serial number is on inner face of the "back" F# keyguard.) My ser#: 18884. Now to find a serial number list...?

[Ike Webkins]

Jean, how can we see the photos on a PC.....?

Jean, comment fait-on pour regarder les photos sur un PC....?

merci

ike

[Jazzbrass]

Bugle vintage aussi bien que "Monopole" C.Mahillon 1939 en état de jeu