Mpc for Kohlert 57 tenor

[saxydad2]

Hi , my newly acquired 57 tenor is just back from overhaul ; and am still working on finding matching mpc & reed for it . Having just played it for not a very long time with a Berg HR 110/1/M & JJ ESP .105 with DC #3 reed and found it sounding on the thin side against what I heard about it being big ( R & R ):dazed: . I am thinking if I have the wrong set up . Would any of you 57 tenor fans give me you advices on this . However , this horn gives me a feeling that I am still yet to open the big door of it , and if that secret door is open ,it will be me and the horn , hm :yikes!: .

[knighttrain]

Dad, I don't have that problem with my 115/1/M, but everyone's different and maybe you are shooting for something a lot darker than I am. You might try a Link or something similar if you need a darker, more complex tone; something with a roll-over baffle.

[Peterogping]

I am the lucky owner of a Winnenden tenor from 1954 which should be close to the "57" in volume. I have tried a Link STM 7*, an RPC roll-over baffle .095 and a Runyon SR #10 but found all too dark/dull. A Runyon Custom #9 brings out the smoky R&B in the horn and is the best I have found (with La Voz Medium) - until I received my Morgan Excalibur 8EL, which I play with either Vandoren ZZ 2½-3 or Alexander Superial DC 2½. It took a while to master the Morgan which was difficult to play in tune (meaning that the embouchure has to be very steady). The Runyon was much easier but does not have quite the "Ka-Pow" of the Morgan.8-)

[saxydad2]

Oh yes , never thought about a Morgan , will try one , but 8EL might be a bit large for me , may be a 7EL which I've heard good things about ( wonder if there is 7*EL ). Anyway , I am now way better on the sound after having spent hours on adjusting my embrochure ; and have also now changed from Alexander DC 3 to a plain 3 on JJ ESP .105 ( w/o spoiler ) with this set up my sound is fuller ; and begining to feel the Rock & Roll . :D Thanks for all your replies , guy .

[Swingtone]

Oh yes , never thought about a Morgan , will try one , but 8EL might be a bit large for me , may be a 7EL which I've heard good things about ( wonder if there is 7*EL ). Anyway , I am now way better on the sound after having spent hours on adjusting my embrochure ; and have also now changed from Alexander DC 3 to a plain 3 on JJ ESP .105 ( w/o spoiler ) with this set up my sound is fuller ; and begining to feel the Rock & Roll . :D Thanks for all your replies , guy .

If you're going for thick (beefy), you'd best get a Morgan 7L instead of the 7EL. These are closer to a vintage Link and have thicker rubber (and thus more warmth) than the 7EL, which has more of its walls scraped off so it's a brighter piece than the L. But they're basically the same design except for the Excalibur also has the little silvery ring, which doesn't really affect the sound as far as I know.

[xax]

I have a '57 Boosey & Hawkes Edgware which may or may not be the same horn but probably very close(does not say, "JK Best in the World"). I like my Dukoff D(6) for the rip (bigger tip would be louder, I'm sure). I also use an old style Wolf Tayne 7. I use 2 1/2 or 3 reeds (Rico or ZZ or ?). As a rule, I don't care for Dukoff Power Chamber mpcs on most horns as they often sound too thin to me. However, on this horn the Dukoff (clear acrylic) has a somewhat complex tone. The WT is not as bright/edgy but can get from Dexter to "Jug" on this particular horn. My Otto Link Tonemaster (dotted halfnote) is also nice and gets me more of a 50's R&B sound.

[Peterogping]

I agree completely with Swingtone. It depends on what kind of tone you are looking for. The tone I get with the Excalibur is somewhere between Arnett Cobb and Dexter Gordon (on a good day). Large chamber was the recommendation from Ralph Morgan because he had heard that these Kohlert saxes were Martin-clones. BTW, there is no 7*.

[HeavyWeather77]

In terms of tip opening, a Morgan 8 is .105 inches, which is the equivalent of an ideal Link 7*. A Morgan 7 is .100 inches, or a Link 6* in a perfect world. In my experience Morgans tend to play like they're much bigger than they really are, though, probably because of the expert tip/rail/chamber work. They are very responsive and easy-blowing but also sound very full and thick, and they project much better than any other medium/large-chamber rubber mouthpiece I've ever played. Just about ideal as far as I'm concerned. I use an 8E (but not on a Kohlert, I admit).