View Full Version : Metal bari pieces to try out
Noel Mac
03-03-2003, 05:00 AM
I really like the brighter bari sound like ronnie cuber has. I know he plays a Francous Louis mouthpiece that was custom made for him so the chances of me finding the same model seems rather slim. But what are some bari mouthpieces I should trie out that will give me some power and edge?
Lawtons have plenty of cut. RIAs also. Any piece with a medium to high baffle should get good power and cut. Low baffle pieces like Links can be hard to get to cut, though the metal ones aren't too bad if you don't mind leaning into it hard. Rubber Links are very difficult to get much power out of. Metal Bergs may be worth a look.
Bootman
03-03-2003, 11:43 AM
Definitely have a look at the metal Bergs, especially the Bronze models. Lawtons are good too. Also check out the new Runyon Jaguar.
baribri
03-03-2003, 05:25 PM
The Lamberson 7SB with a decent reed can get you close to that big huge Cuber type of sound, just add good chops.
Subtone Sam
03-03-2003, 06:07 PM
Noel Mac,if you are thinking of Lawtons,I would suggest B chamber over BB.I found BB chamber hard to play and thin sounding.
I played a BB chamber Lawton for many years and while I wouldn't quite describe the sound as "thin" it didn't get as fat or rich a sound as I wanted, so I switched to the RIA brand, which to me gets a fatter sound than the BB Lawton, and without giving up any power. I haven't played the other Lawton models. The new Runyon Jaguar sound interesting.
super20dan
03-03-2003, 08:55 PM
the dukoff bari mpc is very bright and powerful. in metal bergs get 0or 1 .dont get 2 as is too dark. my current fav is the ponzel custom but you allready tried one and didnt like it.
MojoBari
03-04-2003, 06:00 PM
The Runyon Custom Quantums (made of Delrin plastic) belong on the "cut" list. They are probably the least expensive way to go. Get it with a Spoiler for another sound option.
Lately, I play a metal Quantum for a warmer sound compared to the vibrating Delrin. It is not as loud though.
Mojo--have you tried the new Runyon Jaguar yet?
MojoBari
03-05-2003, 01:35 AM
No I have not. I'll wait untill a used one passes by. I may file a "V" into a tenor XL I have to see if I like it better.
Subtone Sam
03-06-2003, 03:49 PM
I just received a brass goldplated Lawton 7 Star B for bari.I played it many hours last night and it plays great! Perfect solo mouthpiece for baritone;bright and aggressive :twisted: sound,easy to play.Worth checking out,definitely!
Noel Mac
03-07-2003, 06:01 PM
Has anyone played the lawton stainless steel bari pieces? Or the guardala ones?
The Lawton BB chamber piece I mentioned above was stainless steel.
Noel Mac
03-08-2003, 10:54 PM
I don't see any RIA bari pieces listed for sale on WWandBW. Does anyone know where I can find one? Also, I am considering ordering 2 or 3 pieces from WWandBW to try out. I am thinking about either the lawton B or BB chamber, and other than that what other ones should I have them send me?
Several bari players I know play the Brilhart Levelair (sp?) pieces and get a lot of sound out of them. It tends to be pretty bright but 1 of the 3 players has more of a straight ahead sound. I hear they tend to work better than other high-baffle pieces and the older serialized ones are superior to the new ones.
The Rousseau JDX ones are worth checking out too, also give a lot of bite to the sound. They have a unique V-shaped chamber.
Subtone Sam
03-09-2003, 12:46 AM
Lawton B chamber and Runyon Jaguar are worth checking out.I found Lawton BB chamber to be too bright for bari,works great on tenor though.
saxmanic
03-09-2003, 03:01 AM
I play a Lawton 8* BB on my Low A Mark VI and don't find it too bright. I think the higher baffle is suited to the Low A. On my low Bb Couf, however, it is too bright, so I use a plain Lawton 6. I love both pieces. I have also played the Rouuseau JDX series with the V shaped baffle and loved it. The JDXs are very underrated, but I can't find anything I like better than the Lawton's. BTW, the RIAs are on page 58 of the WW & BWcatalogue. I have a metal 5 I use as a back-up.
MojoBari
03-09-2003, 04:24 PM
The RIAs are no longer being made. WW&BW probably still has a decent stock of them. I have 2 RIA's for sale. Check my site.
I like them, but they take a lot more wind to drive them than my favorite Runyon Quantums.
Sad to see that RIAs or no longer being made. I've been using them (both metal and hard rubber) for several years now. They are a good match for my chops and tonal approach. I find them easy blowing too, especially with a little extra baffle (courtesy of Mojobari).
MojoBari
03-09-2003, 09:39 PM
...but the guy who made RIAs is still making mouthpieces under his own name in Italy. His name is archived on the MouthpieceWork site. I dont know what the deal is or who is carrying his pieces. Why give up the brand recognition of "RIA"?
jjgold
03-10-2003, 02:38 AM
I have that Barone Trad/Cont...I think a little too much cut for the Big Band. It is important to play this piece with the Rico Jazz Select reed....no intonation problems! But if metal piece is what your after I think these are some of the best!
Noel Mac
03-10-2003, 03:45 AM
I would love to check out a barone or maybe try to find a guardala bari piece but I don't have that much money.
Subtone Sam
03-10-2003, 01:57 PM
Anyone considering a bari Lawton should check out the bari tip openings/numbers,they are bit different from Lawton tenor pieces.
On tenor,for example,Lawton 8 is equivalent to Link 8, .110 opening.
But on bari,Lawton 7 Star is equivalent to Link 8,.120 opening (Lawton bari 8 is .125,similar to Link 8*).
I donīt know why they decided to do it like this but thats the way it seems to be.Bill Lewington has the tip openings of Lawtons on their webpage.
Bootman
03-10-2003, 08:10 PM
I would urge you to check out the Jaguar and the Lamberson DD chambers. The Lamberson is the loudest bari mpc I have ever played. The Jaguar has the full bodied roundness of a big open HR mpc with the power of a metal mpc, definitely worth checking out.
baribri
03-14-2003, 07:22 AM
I have a new Lamberson 7SB I got for a backup to my 7M, it is an absolute killer piece, they are now selling for $300.00 if you can get them, they are always out of stock. If anybody wants this one, I can use the money at this time. I will sell it for $225.00 plus shipping. I live in Central New Jersey.. you can reach me at Baribri@optonline.net
Please pardon the post in this forum and not marketplace. I would prefer that it is read only by fellow bari players.
I have a Guardala MKII bari piece and it is an excellent lead player. The sound is full but with a slight edge. The baffle is similar to a brecker I, so you get excellent projection. You can back-off and use it for ensemble work.
I use a vintage Buescher fatbody for symphonic work.
cheers
robbieg
03-21-2003, 04:06 PM
I just got a Wolf Tayne metal mouthpeice, its a really nice peice especially for the price (I got it for a little over $100). Really nice low and high as well.
robbieg
03-21-2003, 04:13 PM
I just got a Wolf Tayne metal mouthpeice, its a really nice peice especially for the price (I got it for a little over $100). Really nice low and high as well.
earthkin
05-12-2003, 09:24 AM
I _never_ got to play anything like the variety you speak of (I'd be lucky if the music store would carry one metal mouthpiece), but the best metal one I've played, hands down, is Yanagasawa. Crisp, clear, beautiful sound.
justbari
05-12-2003, 08:34 PM
Add my vote for the Lawton B chamber (gold plated brass)
xraydog
05-13-2003, 07:06 PM
I have been playing a Lamberson 7SB hard rubber and a SR Technologies Pro Metal mouthpiece. The Lamberson is a killer piece but a little reed finicky. I really like the SR Technologies. A little less bright but easy to play definately a dark horse worh a try.
Rick D.
Storamin
05-13-2003, 10:12 PM
I'm jumping onto the Berg Larson metal mouthpiece bandwagon. I use a 115-1 and while it takes more air than some things, it has a nice bright tune to it. It often has the tendency to pull sharp. This is especially good for older horns, like my school bari. Which is often *cough* 50 cents flat. (POS!!!) However, the mouthpiece stil goes nicely with a Jupiter 893SG Artist.
rcwjd
05-13-2003, 11:49 PM
I join Bootman in suggesting a look at the Jaguar. I just got mine yesterday from Charlie A and I am impressed. For me, it does take some getting used to however, and I am still experimenting. I use a Morgan 7J HR most often, and by comparison the Jaguar feels like an alto mouthpiece in my mouth. It took me awhile test playing it last night to stop leaking air around the corners of my mouth. However, the sound and power knocks me out. It has more edge to it than the Morgan, and definitely makes for a more aggressive sound, yet I quickly was able to get very nice subtones. It seems especially rich on the bottom end of the horn, but does round out the top end too (my Mark VI). I think after I get used to the smaller profile in my mouth I will really like it. Intonation was very good using the Fibracell #2 (using a Fibracell made my metal Link 7* flat to the point where I had no more room to push in). For the price, it is a "top quality" metal mpc. BTW, I did try a stainless steel Lawton 7 B, and I was not overly impressed. It sounded good, but the Jaguar #10 sounds better, and the price difference is significant.
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