Brightest tenor MP

[Shaun SS]

What is the brightest tenor MP you have ever played on?

[saxduck]

Bobby Dukoff D9

[Subtone Sam]

If you are looking for really bright mouthpiece,try Guardala SuperKing.

[Keith Ridenhour]

Rovner Deep V. My ears are still ringing. K

[super20dan]

dukoff d8

[jazzbluescat]

Dukoff D6

[DanF]

Dukoff D8

[Biff]

hmm.. do i see a trend with dukoff?

[woodwindmaster06]

Try a Crystal Pomarico Mouthpiece I have heard they are very bright

[cmelodysax]

Lawton 8*BB combines bright with plenty of width, also bronze Berg Larsen '0' chamber cuts thro' anything or anybody. Rgrds, Alan.

[Mike W]

Dukoff D8 and D7, then Berg 100-0 which is about even with Lawton 6BB. A Dukoff with Plasticovers is BRIGHT (very buzzy--still with much depth to the tone on a super 20 anyway).

[John T.]

Dukoff D10 Ebolite

Not sure what it was but I saw Bruce Springsteen last night & Clarence was playing a Goldplated mouthpiece, my guess is that it was probably a Rovner Deep V mated to his Keilwerth.

[Bootman]

Guardala SKRB, brightness and warmth when requried. Ponzol M2 will scare you too instandard trim and the Lawton 8*BB has lots of brightness but a thick core. All can be used in the RnB style sound set-up as well as for Jazz. These mpcs have a much more resonant quality than a Dukoff mpc to my ears.

[sessionsax]

Dont forget an old levelair brilhart or the ARB metal mpcs (which are the same internal design as the levelair) They are very bright, yet with the right open throat can be full with edge and brightness.

[MojoBari]

Runyon XL with Spoiler.

[Shaun SS]

Runyon XL with Spoiler.


I don't find this to be real bright. I think the smooth bore with spoiler is a little brighter..


Thanks everyone for the feed back

[Inch]

from what i had play, still the dukoff....

[MS]

The Runyon XL IS the same mouthpiece as the Smoothbore, except for material. Same design and dimensions, but made of Delrin/rubber composite. Most think the Delrin material plays brighter than the metal. :D

[Mike Ruhl]

Brightest tenor mpc I've ever played was an old Brilhart LevelAir. It was 30 years ago, so I don't recall the facing.

[Riff]

Runyon Custom w/spoiler.
Dukoff D chamber a close second.

[Shaun SS]

The Runyon XL IS the same mouthpiece as the Smoothbore, except for material. Same design and dimensions, but made of Delrin/rubber composite. Most think the Delrin material plays brighter than the metal. :D


I'm with you here, but the metal has a brighter sound to it. At least to me..

[Morry]

The '0' model Bergs can make your ears bleed also.

[MojoBari]

The brightest mouthpieces I have played have been made of Delrin, Dukoff Silverite or Stainless Steel. Some of the darkest have been Brass (with various platings), wood, and vintage hard rubber. Modern hard rubber, plastics and brass can fall anywhere.

Obviously, the bright ones where also of a bright design (high baffle, etc) and the dark ones were of a dark design. I have had only a few comparisons of a MP design made of 2 materials. These were Runyons, RIAs and Bergs.

The design is much more important than the material.

[Dr G]

The Runyon XL IS the same mouthpiece as the Smoothbore, except for material. Same design and dimensions, but made of Delrin/rubber composite. Most think the Delrin material plays brighter than the metal. :D

I'm with you here, but the metal has a brighter sound to it. At least to me..

It may just be the way that the metal conducts vibrations through your teeth into your head. Have you tried recording two of the same mouthpiece model made of differing materials?

I'm with Mojo. I've played (and bought) a lot of mouthpieces in my quest for Tone and geometry rules over material.

[Dr G]

Brightest tenor mpc I've ever played was an old Brilhart LevelAir. It was 30 years ago, so I don't recall the facing.

Just great. :( I was trying to forget those years ('71-'73) that I played a 7* LevelAir (with a Rico Jazz 3 1/2). Now I'll have to resume therapy. :cry:

[Roger McWilliams]

If you think mouthpiece material matters in sound, try looking at the experimental results I've posted on spectral measurements for differing materials while holding the geometry constant. In long tones heard by a listener other than the player no difference was measured.

The player picks up some sound by conduction, not just through the air, and material may matter a bit to what the player detects. But for everyone else, I've never seen a material difference.

My experimental results are posted at http://hal9000.ps.uci.edu/Presentations.htm . It would be great for someone who thinks material matters to inform us of some measurements which would show it. At least for what I have measured, the difference cannot be found. It appears only mouthpiece geometry matters for listeners other than the player when choosing among commonly used materials.

Happy playing!

[Dr G]

Hey Roger! I think that material matters - just not to the sound of a mouthpiece. :wink: What do you expect from a materials scientist? Of course it matters! :lol:

Seriously tho', folks, Roger has done some very nice work in the lab. You should all check it out if you haven't already done so. I'd consider taking my horn into the lab as well but most everything I do is terribly destructive. :shock:

[Nefertiti]

My first tenor mouthpiece was a Levelair. I have a recording of me doing "In a Sentimental Mood" on it. It gives me shivers to listen to it to this day. That was one bright piece. When I saw the posts title "Brightest tenor mouthpiece" my first thought was WHY????

[frankbiff]

Brilhart Ebolin 4*. Hey when I grew up I switched to Links, was never into bright.

[cuthbert]

In my little experience it the Barone Standard #8 I purchased for Xmas.I don't critisize the quality,but really I tried it twice and it was sent into its box.

I was lucky I was playing a "dark" sax like the Buescher Aristocrat :lol:

Not the best deal of my life for me. :cry:

I was thinking about trying a Dukoff but after what I red here I'm a little bit scared... :shock:

Maybe somebody else can like it,but it's not my sound!

2nd place: Brilhart Ebolin 2*.And it's also very loud.

[Walnuts]

Dukoff D9

[reisax]

dukoff all the way

[Dr G]

Barone "Rock Fusion"...

[tomsch]

Yes, the Barone Rock/Fusion is one of the brightest. I have one (thanks saxa!) that plays great but will go in for a refacing soon to take a little of the edge off!

[Saxturtle]

Dukoff, in my opinion. I recently playtested @ 6 metal mpcs: the Dukoff was the harshest (most harsh?), i.e. bright to the point of discomfort, although this could have been due to using a too-thin bite pad and having all those underdamped hi-freq resonances bounce around inside my mostly empty head...

[citizn cane]

Roger,
Finally got around to reading your mouthpiece material paper. Nice presentation & data.
It appears to me that Fig. 2 vs. Fig. 3 (Dukoff metal vs. plastic, written B on tenor), while similar, show differences in the range of 1250 - 2000 Hz. Specifically, I notice 4 "meaty" peaks in this range for the metal & not in the plastic. I do understand that there were fluctuations in the spectra, & for purposes of the figures, these must be considered "representative." The peak differences do look real, however, & coupled with your statement about humans hearing well in this range, & that it actually contributes to what we percieve as "edge," this seems to contradict your conclusion regarding no differences between metal & plastic. Perhaps those 4 meaty peaks in the metal in Fig. 2 aren't above noise? Care to elaborate?
Also, I'd love to see the same comparison done using a metal lig, as I feel that Rovners deaden upper partials significantly, possibly mitigating your metal spectra results somewhat. Additionally, it might be interesting to see the comparison on a note such as B3 on the tenor (octave-key B), as this note is much brighter than say a D2 (tends to be darker, stuffier). Thanks for submitting your work, & hope I don't sound too much like a reviewer & make you feel like you're defending a thesis!

[citizn cane]

Just a friendly bump now that I see Roger's been checking in recently. Calling Roger?

[citizn cane]

Roger,
This is my final try. Love to hear your reply to the above, but no sweat if you think it's not worth the effort, because I clearly could be missing something. Going once...

[shmuelyosef]

Some of the Lakeys can be downright nasty they are so bright, but they are some of the most inconsistent pieces I know of. The Vandoren Jumbo Javas are also VERY bright and are very consistent and a good deal for shattering glass, peeling paint, or waking drunks.