Albums that should have been recorded.

[Tryptykon]

The list, if I give it some more thought before posting could be fairly long
and the possibilities could be endless.

Just to start the thread out.

Sonny Rollins and Joe Henderson in a live setting on standards and their
originals.

When Joe emerged in 1962-63 in NYC in musicians circles he really created
a stir, and immediately started to make recordings for Blue Note as a leader
and sideman. Joe was pretty much fully formed in his approach and to
my ears he really had all the best elements of his forbears synthecized
into .

Joe owed some influence to Sonny as well, and their styles are similiar
enough in general concept that to see them on one bandstand pushing
each other may have cause a power outage in NYC.

Maybe that's why they weren't put in a studio together in the 60s.

Actually I wonder what Sonny's thoughts on Joe were at that time ?

Another one would've been Bird, Stitt, and Cannon.

Of course Cannon came to NYC after Bird passed, but :

Stitt was very competitive;most of the players from that era all say
the same thing; Stitt was a headhunter.
Cannon would've been up for the task, but not to win, just to play and have
a ball doing it.

Bird, in live airchecks I've listened to always seemed to thrive with intense
players around him; not to outplay them, but just to play up to his own
potential which I think wasn't always being tapped.


those are a couple *dream sessions* of mine.

What are some of yours ?

[BlueNote]

It would have been cool to hear a Blowin' Session type album with Miles, Lee Morgan, and Dizzy.

Or a McCoy Tyner and Coltrane duet album.

[Tryptykon]

That would be a nice contrast .

Ever hear Lee Morgan and Freddie on 'Night of the Cookers' ?

[Tim Price]

Interesting thread....

1. Monk meets Wayne Shorter!! Why'd that never happen? LOL
Could ya imagine the results?

2. A record by Alan Dawson as a leader. Of _ALL_the dates Alan did and was the fav of everyone from Ruby Braff to Jeru to Booker Ervin. Why?????

3. The Basie Band, featuring the writing of Eric Dixon. Eric added some of the most vivid charts, but was there day to day but a record would of been cool sinse he rode the bus with the band daily. It woulda been a nice memory and history benchmark.

4. Charlie Mariano, with the Boston bands he played with at Berklee 1969-ISH TO 71. With the Boston guys like Mick Goodrick or Peter Donald and Mraz.


5. I'd like to see what woulda happened if COLUMBIA had not dropped my friend Rachel Z ' after one record when she _WAS_signed to a 8 record deal over 4 years!!!!!! Imagine the results for her?!! After all- Wayne hired her right off, and was totally into her playing as a result. Her first CD still sells on that label.


6. Ernie Krivda meets Michael Brecker.
Let them do a disc of blues and ballads.With Idris Muhummad and guys who grooved. Like Bennie Green and so on. Just a blowin date.

dITTO;
7 Billy Harper meets Chris Potter.
Or~
Wayne Shorter meets Lee Konitz!!

8.Bennie Wallace and Rashid Ali....with a Nashville band of guys
nobody ever heard of. Let the tape roll. Like an after hours session.

9. Dr John with the Basie Band. With guest soloist Hank Crawford.

10. Andy McGhee and Johnny Griffim play Duke and Monk

11. VINCE WALLACE MEETS JOE LOVANO
With a SanFran rhythm section that Vince uses in the Mission district.

12. Roland Kirk meets Zappa!!! It happened once live- WHY NOT ON WAX?
Coulda been vivid~ to late now.

13. Sweet Sue Terry plays the Jackie McLean song book.
Let her do a CD of all Jackie Macs tunes, and use his band.
WATCH what would happen:D

14. Eddie Daniels....with Richard Davis and Joe Chambers.
Record a week LIVE at the VANGUARD in NyC.
NO ORIGINALS/ Or funny stuff, just blowing hard. Tell Eddie to just bring ALL his axes and hit it. Period.

15. Fred Lipsius meets Pat Martino.
All standards/ no producer allowed in room. Musicians only.

And, lastly....Tim Price plays the Bert Wilson song book.
Let me record a weekend with Bert with the " New Storys Trio".
ONLY-Berts tunes. I'll play all my axes and let Bert bring his stuff.
The next week -we do more of Berts music but I bring out Rachel Z
and Cindy Blackman & Buster Williams to kick it up to Volume 2. Before
it's to late- thats a dream of mine for me...and the music.

[Ken]

Since I've been on a bit of a Prez binge lately I would have liked to have heard an album of Prez and Hawk trading fours, eights, 16's, etc over ballads, blues, swing, whatever. In fact I could have sworn I heard them on a record once, but I guess I was wrong. Maybe it was Webster and Hawk or something like that.

[BlueNote]

...Maybe it was Webster and Hawk or something like that.

Sonny Rollins and Hawk did an album together, too, if that's what you were thinking of.

[Ken]

I'm pretty sure it was two old cats like Webster and Hawk. Anyway I wish there was an album of Hawk and Prez together trading off each other.

Also I would have liked to hear an album in a similar vain with Coltrane and Rollins a few years after Tenor Madness, maybe around the time of Kind of Blue or maybe just before Rollins went into his first retirement?

[Edit] There also should have been recordings of Lester Young before '36 when he was already at his peak. It would have been great to see how his style developed.

[GHawk]

Lenny Pickett....with anybody.

[Saxland]

I really would have liked to hear Oscar Peterson and Miles Davis on ballads together and see how they influence each other. Between the two of them they can reference the history of jazz. I espicially would have liked to hear an improvisation based on Debussy.

Or How about Miles and Debussy?

I really like Tim Price's Monk and Shorter duo.

Mingus and Art Tatem.

[playitfunky]

I'd have to say candy dulfer and me. 8-)

[otrok]

Alot of interesting matchups can be found on bit torrent sites, especially the semi-legal ones that specialize in concert recordings, unavailable elsewhere.

Two such matches that come to mind are

1. Stan Getz and John Coltrane at JATP 1960
2. M'Boom with the World Saxophone Quartet

[G-dawg]

Sun Ra Arkestra plays Duke Ellington...Guess that could still happen. :)

Miles Davis with Stravinski (Use your imagination what that would have been like!)

Thelonious Monk with Philip Glass

[Chris S]

12. Roland Kirk meets Zappa!!! It happened once live- WHY NOT ON WAX?
Coulda been vivid~ to late now.

I'd LOVE to hear this.

I'd also love to hear Dexter do a disc of either entirely Burt Bacharach tunes, or Johnny Mercer tunes.

Ditto for Sonny Rollins.

Chris S

[saxamaphonerboy593]

Desmond plays Sanborn?

[Tim Price]

Kenny Burrell and Pete Christlieb,,, with Joey D on organ and Grady Tate.

Maybe even~ Phil Woods and Lou Donaldson!!!!

Or~ Bjork writes for World Sax Quartet. ( with John Purcell on saxello )
THAT,,could be fantastic. Maybe add a drummer like Max Roach or Jack D,

Lots of stuff- maybe someday it all could happen???:!: :? :shock: :)

[BlueNote]

Also to add to my list of ideas--

1. Charles Mingus, Scott LaFarro, Ray Brown - Live at Carnegie Hall

2. Paul Desmond and Stan Getz - Romance Collection

3. Tommy Flanagan and Wynton Kelly - Dueling Pianos

4. Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, and Wes Montgomery - Live at the Village Vanguard

5. Charlie Mariano - Ballads

[AndyW]

Is there not a mid-60s Sonny Stitt meets Dexter Gordon session on tape in the Blue note archive somewhere ? It was deemed unsuitable for release, iirc...

-Andy-

[IBSmiester]

Eric Dolphy w/ Thelonious Monk!!!

Now that would be it!

[Leon]

Monk and Ornette.

[Minatar12]

Eric Dolphy w/ Thelonious Monk!!!

Now that would be it!

Hell yes. That was what I was going to say exactly. I can imagine the music in my head and it's blowing me away.

[larry]

Back in the 70s, Boots Randolph and Rahsaan Roland Kirk brought a tour of "Anything Goes" to Boston that I always regret I never got a recording of.
It was mind-blowing! :toothy7:

[Martinman]

How about Bird playing on Kind of Blue instead or even with Connonball? That would be interesting. I always wonder if Miles would have gotten Bird to play alto instead of Cannonball.

[BlueNote]

How about Bird playing on Kind of Blue instead or even with Connonball? That would be interesting. I always wonder if Miles would have gotten Bird to play alto instead of Cannonball.

I don't think he would have. Miles was the kind of band leader who paid
close attention to how well the players' styles complimented each other.

And Bird's playing from a harmonic standpoint would have to flipflop, seeing
as Kind of Blue was an excursion in modal playing, not bebop. (But I see where you get the idea, because Miles did play with him for a while early on)

On Kind of Blue, anyway-

Miles was the gentle & articulate player.
Coltrane was the direct & fast player.
Adderley went more for the GROOVE, which had a funky tinge to it.

Each had their own unique harmonic and stylistic approach to incredbly simple music. And they meshed together great.
Had Parker been in the group, there would have been a lot of tension (at least in my opinion), because the styles would not have contrasted enough.

Besides, Bird died way before Kind of Blue was recorded.
And he would have had to kick the drug habbit or else he woudn't have lasted
very long in his group

[asaxman]

Miles said Joe Henderson played with his group for a while, in his autobiography. (Wayne, Herbie, Ron, Tony)! WOW!!!!

[Dan Molloy]

John Coltrane and Michael Brecker

Album title; "Tenor Titan Tussle",
"In the Ring" (both pictured on cover in a boxing ring in shorts, gloves and with tenors),
"Kicking *** and taking Names" (both pictured in a alley way with a bunch of K.O'd tenor players at their feet.

[Mark R]

Rick Margitza and Warne Marsh

Mark Turner and Archie Shepp

Hank Crawford, Charles McPherson and Dave Sanborn

Red Prysock and Robert Stewart

Bob Berg and Bob Malach....an actual twin tenor project

Phil Woods and Dave MacMurray

Houston Person and Buck Hill

Tim Price and Skerik

Charles Lloyd and Kidd Jordan

James Moody, Steve Kujala, Hubert Laws, Lew Tabakin and Hubert Laws....Flute Festival

Sam Taylor and Mark "Kaz" Kazanoff

Arnet Cobb and Shelly Carroll

[Merlin]

Ron Collier's Jazz Orchestra performing his arrangement of Oscar Peterson's Canadiana Suite.

I did a live broadcast recording of it with Ron, and he'd hoped to do a studio version.

[Saxaholic]

Paul Desmond meets Cannonball Adderly. I would love to hear the back to back solo's from these two would throw out there. Supposedly it happened at a jam session one night on the west coast, but there's not an ounce of proof to it.

Saxaholic

[Tryptykon]

Paul Desmond meets Cannonball Adderly. I would love to hear the back to back solo's from these two would throw out there. Supposedly it happened at a jam session one night on the west coast, but there's not an ounce of proof to it.

Saxaholic

I would've loved to have heard Lee Konitz and Paul record something.

Or Warne Marsh and Stan Getz in the mid 1950's during their early peaks.

Yusef Lateef and/or George Braith w/ Roland Kirk

Gene Ammons and Stanley Turrentine in the early 60s .

[Tim Price]

Tim Price and Skerik



YEAOWWWWWWWWW- That might be illegal in some states Mark!!!

I love SKERIKS stuff...8-) ;) :D

Another combination... Vince Wallace meets Bennie Wallace.

Charlie Mariano and Phil Woods play the Quincey Jones songbook.
With Benny Green oin piano.:D

[Al Stevens]

It is said that in the 1920s there were after-hours jam sessions including these young players among others:

Bix Beiderbecke
Jack Teagarden
Benny Goodman
Gene Krupa
Joe Sullivan

Bix never got to record with players of this calliber. What a band!

[Al Stevens]

My personal dream team:

Dexter Gordon
Clifford Brown
J.J. Johnson
Gerry Mulligan
Benny Carter
Buddy DeFranco
Oscar Peterson
Ray Brown
Butch Miles

[Tryptykon]

My personal dream team:

Dexter Gordon
Clifford Brown
J.J. Johnson
Gerry Mulligan
Benny Carter
Buddy DeFranco
Oscar Peterson
Ray Brown
Butch Miles

I like that ensemble .

In a similiar vein I'd like to have heard a nonet with:

Harold Land
Joe Gordon
Frank Rosolino
Pepper Adams
John Jackson
Eric Dolphy(Bb Clarinet)
Hampton Hawes
Wilbur Ware
Philly Joe Jones

[Al Stevens]

Acker Bilk, Eddie Peabody, Bent Fabric, Allan Jaffe, and Spike Jones' drummer.

[HeavyWeather77]

Phillip Glass and Steve Vai.

[Matt Kaesler]

1. Trane/Konitz

2. Frank Morgan/Art Pepper

3. Bob Mintzer/Michael Brecker

4. Ronnie Cuber/Gerry Mulligan (could never happen, but hey)

[citizn cane]

Mintzer/Brecker's in the can, "Twin Tenors," with Peter Erskine on drums...great recording; get that thing! Some say Bob cuts Mike to get back for the lashing Bob took on Jaco's Birthday Concert (the take of "Invitation" really is amazing stuff, come on now).

Every tenor player should hear, at least once, "Twin Tenors" & "Jaco's Birthday Concert."

FWIW, Skerik's new acoustic septet (Syncopated Taint) thing, "Husky," is slammin'.


Al Stevens:
Acker Bilk... Bent Fabric??? Never heard of 'em...

Mark R:
Who's Shelly Carrol (sounds like a full-throttle cat!)?

What about David MacMurray (do you mean Murray?)

[Kritavi]

12. Roland Kirk meets Zappa!!! It happened once live- WHY NOT ON WAX?
Coulda been vivid~ to late now.


The Boston Globe Jazz Festival, Hynes Auditorium -first night 1969. I was 14 It was an amazing night and it pretty much seared the saxophone into my conciousness. Kirks own set prior to joining the Mothers would have been like a large dose of LSD on its own (better in some ways). But when he came out and joined the Mothers that was it!
By the end of the night they were doing Joe Houstons "ALL NIGHT LONG" with all the horn players following Roland's (slightly pre Rahsaan) lead and getting on their backs and doing bicycles in the air while they played. It was mostly a ferocious jam for about 45 mintues. Zappa had a guy in the band whose job was playing with toys and squirting whipped cream out of various stuffed animals. He did yoyo tricks for the whole set, a real improvisor!
I barely remember the poor Dave Brubeck Quartet with Gerry Mulligan sandwiched between these two sets.
Still maybe the greatest concert I have ever attended. I had a long chat with Joe Texidor , Rolands percussionist, about this concert a few years ago. His impression from the stage and mine from the audience pretty much matched up.

[HeavyWeather77]

Mark R:
Who's Shelly Carrol (sounds like a full-throttle cat!)?



Shelley Carroll's a great tenor player in Dallas who enjoys some fame through the Mercer Ellington band.

A friend of mine, Chris McGuire (another killer Dallas tenor), who's known Shelley since they were in school together in the '80s, says Shelley got offered a spot playing with Pink Floyd, for at least a few gigs. Shelley apparently turned it down cause he didn't know any of their tunes. Not a man who grew up listening to rock. But man, he can sound just like Sonny when he wants to, fattest sound you could ask for.