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Claus
06-02-2003, 11:09 AM
Take a look at the pictures of this auction.....

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2532326283&category=23 298

Weird, to put it midly :wink:

singlereed
06-02-2003, 11:27 AM
You Germans!!

I always thought a dead giveaway of a novice seller was the mouthpiece upside-down, but that is the ultimate. :lol:

Ritchie
06-02-2003, 11:56 AM
Actually it has been tried before. I even read about it in a saxophone book (I forgot which one), in the chapter about exploring new sounds (next to taping the mouthpiece to the body directly, without the neck). Have seen an ebay auction vice versa, selling a trumpet with a sax mouthpiece.

About the upside down mouthpiece: Is it true what I read on a clarinet homepage, that the clarinet mouthpeice has actually been used upside down (to today's standards) until some clever virtuoso discovered it improves control to have the reed at the lower lip?

Claus
06-03-2003, 12:11 PM
This thread has been moved from the "Misc. Saxophone Discussion" section to "eBay experiences".

For my taste, there is too much moving of threads. I was aware of the eBay section, but in fact the posting was not related to


eBay problem alerts. Good eBayers, bad eBayers. eBay related services. eBay advice.

Therefore it fitted better into the section i chose originally. What I am saying is that moving threads should be confined to obvious cases.

Could somebody please move this to the "suggestion box" area? :)

colibri
06-03-2003, 01:25 PM
Is it true what I read on a clarinet homepage, that the clarinet mouthpeice has actually been used upside down (to today's standards) until some clever virtuoso discovered it improves control to have the reed at the lower lip?

Yes. A clarinet player discovered this during the rehearsal of a Mozart opera.

Ritchie
06-03-2003, 01:34 PM
Thanks, colibri. Do you know how long ago this happend?

colibri
06-03-2003, 01:39 PM
It should around 1780 - 1790, in one of Mozart's later Operas. I can't recall exactly which one. The clarinet concerto from 1791 was played with the reed on the bottom lip.

Pete
06-03-2003, 05:03 PM
Claus,

a. Moving of topics is listed in our Forum FAQ. The reason it's done is to make readability clearer -- as an example, one would expect comments about mouthpieces in the mouthpiece area, not comments about saxophone finishes and plating.
b. I've made note in several places that if you don't know where to post your topic, post in Misc. Sax Discussion and I'll move it.
c. phpBB allows me to MOVE an item and leave a shadow of that item. You'll see that this particular thread is listed under Misc. Sax Discussion as well as eBay. I don't necessarily leave a shadow. If, for instance, you post something that should obviously be someplace else (say a sales ad here under eBay experiences), I'll just move it to the correct area. Additionally, sometimes things are moved because I want to make sure the maximum amount of folks can see the post. Finally, sometimes folks specifically send me a request to move a topic or topics.
d. I also have the ability to split posts off onto a different topic. For instance, these posts about switching the clarinet mouthpiece around is interesting, but really has nothing to do with your post. I could split those into a differnt topic and put it under "Doubling". I don't often do this because I really don't have the time and can expend my effort on other things.
e. Remember that Harri can move things too. I just happen to remember specifically moving this thread.
f. If it's not to your taste, send Harri an e-mail and complain -- or volunteer to be a moderator.

Claus
06-03-2003, 07:29 PM
Pete,

you have taken my post too seriously. It is at your or Harris discretion to run this forum as you think it is right. I am the last person to "send e-Mails and complain".

But wouldn't it make your task a bit easier if you confined the editing/splitting/moving to the obvious cases? I have a faint idea about how much time and effort you are putting into this and I just thought that in this particular instance it wasn't necessary.

BTW, if the moderator team needs support on a temporary basis (e.g. in holiday times) I would be happy to help out.

Peace, ok? :D

http://saxontheweb.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=204

Pete
06-03-2003, 10:04 PM
Peace, dude.

Just so ya know, I tend to think of this forum as a bit of "my" creation -- the forum itself, not the idea. I spent a goodly amount of time trying to convince Harri to move to this format and almost as much time researching the best providers, setting it up, etc.

I really don't mind constructive criticism, but I've seen a bunch of negative comments about this forum, how it's set up and/or how it's run to last me for a lifetime. To me, criticism without a suggested solution is just, well, critical, and can be taken as insulting.

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IMHO, this particular thread is an obvious move: it's about an eBay ad and it wasn't posted in the eBay forum, so it got moved. "Playing Saxophone Naked", which is currently in the Misc. Saxophone Discussion forum is a possible move. Would SOTW be better served or would the thread get more posts in the "Saxophone Lifestyle" forum? :)

Anyhow, when I come here for "moderator" purposes (a few times a day), I scan through a few topics in which problems generally arise. If I happen to see a thread that's in the wrong place, I just move it when I see it. That doesn't take much time. Splitting can, because I'd have to read the entire thread -- and some of those have 160 posts.

Finally, we've been trying to eliminate some topic areas. We've had a rash of eBay stuff -- and, if you think about it, eBay is probably the main reason behind the explosion in vintage saxophone interest -- so there's an eBay forum. If I found that forum X hasn't gotten any posts in a month or two, I'd ask Harri if we should contract it (I've already asked about contracting the Minnesota Twins. Harri doesn't have that kind of authority :)).

Ritchie
06-04-2003, 06:51 AM
Thank you again, colibri.

I. Fallon
06-04-2003, 10:15 PM
Better yet, put this picture in the saxophone humor topic area. This is a gas.

On second thought, I might try it. Think of the money I will save on reeds LOL. Put a few bucks in a coffee can each week from the savings, and I will be playing a Mark VI (or at least a VII) in no time.

Silscio
06-05-2003, 12:18 AM
Does the saxophone mouthpiece on the trumpet really work? I mean, doesn't the trumpet need the mouthpiece's pitch able to change? I'm no brass expert by any means, just wondering.

Pete
06-05-2003, 04:06 PM
Actually, someone recorded an album or two with a brasswind mouthpiece on tenor. It does work, after a fashion :). I don't remember the artist's name :(.

There's also a "sax-trumpet" mouthpiece that was on sale on eBay a little while back. It's a soprano-ish mouthpiece with a receiver for a trumpet attached. It looks machined, so it's not a fraud. I'll try to post pics later.

TRWham
06-05-2003, 05:18 PM
Isn't this essentially how the saxophone was invented- as a cross between brass and reeds to replace strings for outdoor or military performances? I have seen at least one horn at the instrument museum in Brussels with the reed on top.