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alaphone
09-01-2005, 03:16 AM
As a total beginner, I have been trying a few off the wall ideas to try and improve my tone.

First off - I had a reed that really seemed bad. It squeaked way more than the others. I absolutely could not play the full range of the instrument. The tone quality was very poor and very unstable through the registers. I had graded it as a “D minus” reed, but I kind of thought that the reed might be a little too hard for me (often the case with beginners right?). So I got out my Dremel tool and cut a “V” shaped trough in the vamp just where it meets the bark (shoulder I think it is called). The point of the “V” was toward the butt of the reed and the opening was toward the tip. The “V” was about 1.5 mm deep at its deepest point which was at the point of the “V” and it tapered to the surface of the reed at the rails.

There actually was some physics logic behind this maneuver, but I won’t bother with that for now. Suffice it to say that I have tested a grand total of 10 reeds in my entire 2 month career. Out of those I have only found two reeds that I graded as high as an “A minus” (no perfect reeds yet) and this modified reed is now one of the two “A minus” reeds. While this is only one reed, I intend to employ this technique on all future “D" and “F” reeds.

Secondly I was trying to find a way to "open my throat" and I thought of "The Sniffing Position”. For those of you familiar with intubation you will catch on immediately. When one attempts to place a tube through someone’s mouth and into their lungs, you need to position the person in such a way so as to put the mouth, oral cavity, larynx and trachea in as straight a line as possible. Obviously you can not line it all up perfectly but you can improve the path significantly by putting the person in what is called “the sniffing position”. If you picture someone who is attempting to smell a flower that is maybe just a little too far away from them, then you will get an image. The head is moved forward relative to the shoulders but it is not really tipped back. The angle between the neck and the jaw has changed as if the head were tilted back but in fact the real movement here was to move the entire head forward. If you picture a pigeon walking you will note that it moves its head forward and back as it strolls along. If you freeze the pigeon in the position where it head is most far forward then you will have an approximation of “the sniffing position”. Now if you just tip the head ever so slightly backward and thrust the jaw forward you will bring all the anatomy into a fair alignment – as straight a shot as is possible to the lungs.

So I tried playing the sax while in this position. First off it is not very comfortable and it is certainly bad posture. But it did affect the tone in a positive way and it did create an interesting sensation in my airway. Perhaps doing this a few times may help me to get the feel of opening things up without looking like a pigeon on the go.


kurt

Mike_K
09-01-2005, 06:49 AM
Kurt,

You would probably enjoy this site:

Bootman's Reed Drilling Process (http://www.geocities.com/reed_drilling/)

Gordon (NZ)
09-01-2005, 01:09 PM
But even in this described "sniffing position" I can still easily block the back of my throat with the non-visible region of my tongue.

It is my impression that this is the most frequent means of creating a constriction in the throat, probably because it is dialect related.

The sniffing position may be ideal for sword swallowers, but I think you would have to contort your neck &/or head equally much in opposite directions - with considerable discomfort - before this caused a significant constriction in the throat.

IMHO

Personally I like the simple approach... Yawn in front of a mirror and learn to do the throat action voluntarily and comfortably, independent of the movements of the lips, jaw, and front of tongue.

When the doc asks me to say "ah', I don't articulate 'ah' at all, and he puts his unnecessary spatula away for the next patient.

alaphone
09-02-2005, 05:10 PM
Thanks guys for the responses.

Mike - I checked out the reed drilling process - perfect! I think that the effect he is getting is likely very similar and his process is much more refined as he has a little jig set up and I just freehand everything. But he is taking about 1.5 mmm out of the vamp at the center shoulder also - so I think there must be something to this idea.

And Gordon - I totally agree with what you have said about the base of the toungue eclipsing the oral cavity. But note that I was trying not only to "open" my throat, but was also trying to line up the trachea so as to include it in the vibrating air column. The picture in Teal's book shows the air column and the sax all vibrating together - but... I don't quite get how that works when the air column has to turn completly 180 degrees around. (Although.....I guess it really has to link up as the vibrations in a brass instruments go round and round several times and in a bari or bass they go around corners too so..... :scratch: hmmmm)

But I do have one question for you - I believe you said...

It is my impression that this is the most frequent means of creating a constriction in the throat, probably because it is dialect related.

Would that be the "YankEEE dialect" to which you are referring?? :)

kurt

Gordon (NZ)
09-02-2005, 06:20 PM
I am referring to ANY dialect that is significantly 'nasal', or where there is a strong 'twang'. Perhaps these are one and the same. Without having linguistic expertise, it seems to me that they are achieved by significantly blocking the mouth cavity, relative to the nasal cavity, from the lungs.

swede_peter
09-03-2005, 01:35 AM
As a total beginner, I have been trying a few off the wall ideas to try and improve my tone.

First off - I had a reed that really seemed bad. It squeaked way more than the others. I absolutely could not play the full range of the instrument. The tone quality was very poor and very unstable through the registers. I had graded it as a “D minus” reed, but I kind of thought that the reed might be a little too hard for me (often the case with beginners right?). So I got out my Dremel tool and cut a “V” shaped trough in the vamp just where it meets the bark (shoulder I think it is called). The point of the “V” was toward the butt of the reed and the opening was toward the tip. The “V” was about 1.5 mm deep at its deepest point which was at the point of the “V” and it tapered to the surface of the reed at the rails.

There actually was some physics logic behind this maneuver, but I won’t bother with that for now. Suffice it to say that I have tested a grand total of 10 reeds in my entire 2 month career. Out of those I have only found two reeds that I graded as high as an “A minus” (no perfect reeds yet) and this modified reed is now one of the two “A minus” reeds. While this is only one reed, I intend to employ this technique on all future “D" and “F” reeds.

Secondly I was trying to find a way to "open my throat" and I thought of "The Sniffing Position”. For those of you familiar with intubation you will catch on immediately. When one attempts to place a tube through someone’s mouth and into their lungs, you need to position the person in such a way so as to put the mouth, oral cavity, larynx and trachea in as straight a line as possible. Obviously you can not line it all up perfectly but you can improve the path significantly by putting the person in what is called “the sniffing position”. If you picture someone who is attempting to smell a flower that is maybe just a little too far away from them, then you will get an image. The head is moved forward relative to the shoulders but it is not really tipped back. The angle between the neck and the jaw has changed as if the head were tilted back but in fact the real movement here was to move the entire head forward. If you picture a pigeon walking you will note that it moves its head forward and back as it strolls along. If you freeze the pigeon in the position where it head is most far forward then you will have an approximation of “the sniffing position”. Now if you just tip the head ever so slightly backward and thrust the jaw forward you will bring all the anatomy into a fair alignment – as straight a shot as is possible to the lungs.

So I tried playing the sax while in this position. First off it is not very comfortable and it is certainly bad posture. But it did affect the tone in a positive way and it did create an interesting sensation in my airway. Perhaps doing this a few times may help me to get the feel of opening things up without looking like a pigeon on the go.


kurt



If you spend more time on playing and training than fiddling with your reeds, life WILL become a nice place to be in, much QUICKER... :D Have had a saxteacher for a year, and he tells me that there isnt any good reeds, but its your JOB to make the ones you have sound good. Sounds reasoneble? :? Once i had a problem to play with a dry and worn out reed :twisted: , then we switched reeds, and hey....... 8-) He MADE it sound good 8-) . So i think its more in your head than... you know.. :) After that event when we switched reeds, i decided to go with his "attitude" ;) , and it actually helps. Use your mind to make them sound good. It IS possible you know.

/Pete.

Gordon (NZ)
09-04-2005, 11:29 PM
Some people get fussier and fussier until NOTHING satisfies them.
Others get more and more versatile such that they can do well using anything.

alfaniner
09-13-2005, 09:12 PM
I keep seeing that reed drilling process being mentioned and I can't help but think of it as one big practical joke.

Or else it's simply a placebo effect, much like that given by purchasing some high-end, overpriced, woo-woo audiophile gear that doesn't really do anything at all. (I.E. stickers you put on the window, special knobs for your receiver, the GSIC audio chip and the like).

I'd never spend more time fiddling with my reeds than I would actually playing something.

AuntSaxophone
11-22-2006, 07:12 AM
Um... Methinks it's time to put away your preconceptions that the reed is the most important part of playing. If anything, for me, it is an afterthought. If you can't play the full range of the instrument, it is time to PRACTICE. If after three months you still can't play a high B and a Low D at the very least, it is time to see if there might not be something wrong with your instrument. If all that checks out, it's time to get a teacher to help you figure out what is going on. If that doesn't help, then it's hopeless. :D Personally, I never really cared about the reed as long as it was well wet and wasn't chipped in more than two small places. :D

kavala
11-22-2006, 07:15 PM
I remember seeing reeds years ago that had a triangular section
punched out of them and then this had some sort of filler in there.

I haven't seen these reeds lately. I don't recall the brand.