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Tom Goodrick
08-31-2005, 04:16 AM
I have been playing instruments for many years. Whenever you start playing a new instrument, you need to get down to the basics of that instrument and work to get your tone just right and polish your techniques for manipulating the instrument. Then you expand your range. Finally you get your technique and general sound up to the level of an accomplished player. This always takes a long time. It can be so long that you lose interest and find something else for amusement. It helps a lot if the instrument you start with is good enough to carry you a long wany on your journey. It should also give you a good enough start so you feel the task is feasible. The Antigua Winds 590 seems to me to be that type of instrument.

I don't know if I'll ever "go anywhere" with the sop. I went some places many years ago with other horns and found I didn't want to be there. But I think I'm going to get pretty good with this and probably put it to work with some of my other horns on gigs in a year or two or three. It will be fun trying.

The keywork feels like my Yani tenor in many ways so I can do a lot right away - hitting notes that is, as defined by holding keys down and getting a tone that is decent and "in the ball park" of intonation. The "Noname 4C" mouthpiece that comes with the horn served a good purpose for me although I also bought a Morgan Protone and a Bari 66 in preparation. I started with the others and then picked up the 4C. It taught me I was probably over-blowing and working too hard on the others. It is impossible to play the 4C blowing hard. It takes very little breath. Its tone is so shallow - like an oboe's - that you have to be pretty close to the right intonation. On the others I was working too hard at first. When I went back to them, the Morgan sounded much better and more interesting. Clearly, it is the one to spend most of the time with getting started. The Bari has a broader and more interesting tone. But it will take more care to work with. I think I will play the 4C a few times on each practice session to get used to blowing lightly but hitting all the notes. In that sense it is very good for doing finger exercises. For working on improving my range and a generally presentable and interesting tone, I'll use mainly the Morgan.

The construction of the horn looks very good. I have read the reports of some questionable things on the Antigua. I have not seen them yet. Most of what I see looks identical to the keywork on the Yani tenor except scaled down a little. The horn is a little stiff now and then but it just needs some "breaking in." Whether the springs will hold up in the long haul is another questions. But they can be replaced. The pads look and feel good - just like the Yani's.

I was expecting to see a very cheap case and had lined up some prospects to replace it. But it seems fine to me - good enough to get to a gig and back. I don't travel far and my horns will now travel with me in my car to each job - no more busses or trailors! In shipment the outer box took a beating but the case, buried in styrofoam "peanuts", brought the horn through fine. The truck got bounced around by Katrina's winds.

The fun begins.

Dave Dolson
08-31-2005, 04:25 AM
Tom: Enjoy your new horn. You did not mention reed-strengths in either post. Did you vary the reed-strength when you tried the Bari 66? That may account for your struggle with intonation. I recall the Bari 66 is fairly open, so maybe a softer reed would allow you to play with less intensity and more embouchure control.

A fellow poster recently switched from the Protone to a Selmer S-80 F that I furnished (on his 586BN) and he ended up with much better tone and control. I know we all react differently to mouthpieces, but I was not impressed with the Protone, even though it played for me - weakly, though. Keep us posted on progress. DAVE

Tom Goodrick
08-31-2005, 03:25 PM
At present I only have one type of reed - Vandoren ZZ in 2.5. I figured I'd wait to see what develops before buying more.

The S-80-F or G is on my list as something to move up to if the Bari does not work out.

goodsax
08-31-2005, 03:35 PM
FWIW, I use a Selmer S80 C* on my 590LQ with a Vandoren standard #3 reed and an Eddie Daniels Rovner lig for concert band work. I also have a Jody Jazz Red #6 that produces good results, but the S80 has a more legit sound suitable for classical tunes. Besides, when I use the red JJ#6 I get "the evil eye" from purists who think "jazz" when you use anything but a black HR piece in concert band and hold up crossed fingers in your direction.

Tom Goodrick
09-01-2005, 01:16 AM
That seems like a good reason to get a red piece from Jody. I played some concert band work on trumpet in the 1970's and swore I'd never do it again. But I might try one of the S 80's with less than .060 opening. Today I noticed I was starting to beat my lower lip up with too much stress. I'll play an hour tonight on the 4C just to give the fingers some exercise. I think that has an opening of about .047 - about the same as the S-80 C*. Of course the Selmer would be a better design, I am sure.

I have been using a Rovner dark lig on each of these pieces. I used a metal lig the first few times but I prefer the Rovner lig. It gives a clean tone.

I played the sop along with some recorded tracks on my synth today. That helped me with my intonation. I did not have the mouthpieces pushed on far enough. Now the intonation on the Morgan is greatly improved.

I still have a lot of trouble with any note above E3. Even E3 does not come out very clearly or with stability. My G3 key is looking pretty useless. A 586 would have been completely adequate. I know that eeventually I'll get those high notes. But will I want them? They sound pretty thin. I tend to play the lower and middle register because I like the sound.

goodsax
09-01-2005, 01:40 AM
With a closed tip like that, if you don't use a stiffer reed, the left palm key and higher notes will get pinched off, in my experience. Fortunately, not one concert band soprano part I've played yet required higher than F3. There's one alto part calling for F#3. if I ever get into a sax quartet, or similar ensemble, I know that will all change.

GHawk
09-01-2005, 03:58 AM
I LOVE my Antigua soprano - I'm selling my Semer Serie III because I don't play it any more. I use a Morgan J8 most of the time and a Bari .066 occasionally - both are really fine pieces. One thing that I do that a lot of people don't - I use Vandoren blue box CLARINET reeds. I use a 2 on the Morgan. They're a little longer than the soprano reeds, but I don't mind because they still fit. This isn't an original idea, though - I learned the trick from a local player, Kelly O'Neal. He's been using clarinet reeds for years.

Tom Goodrick
09-07-2005, 12:59 AM
There does seem to be a small potential problem with my Antigua. The cork on the neck is not very good quality. It has a bunch of impurities that pop out when I am working the mouthpiece onto the neck. After I make a final choice for mouthpiece, I'll have it recorked with quality cork,