Which famous tenorists used rubber mpc?

[playing_is_fun]

I'm aware many great and famous tenorists such as Dexter Gordon and John Coltrane chose metal mpcs.

Which great tenor players have used rubber mpcs besides Joe Henderson?

[markov]

Many of them, for example Joe Henderson plays a HR SS Soloist.

[super20dan]

stan getz

[drakesaxprof]

Lester Young (Brilhart Ebolin during much of his career)
Chris Potter (Florida Slant 7*?)
Jerry Bergonzi (Link Tone Edge 8)
Trane (Ballads album, also ca. 65-67)
Wayne Shorter (again, sometimes, and a Link Tone Edge 10 or 10*?)
Archie Shepp
Eddie Harris (Selmer classical, as with Joe Henderson)

And, outside of jazz, James Houlik among legions of great classical tenor saxophonists.

Many others, I'm sure!

[saxmanglen]

I saw Lew Tabaken last year and he definitely was using a rubber piece. HUGE sound!

[Ptrick]

many many artists have switched back and forth...
Sonny Rollins
Zoot Sims
James Moody
Chris Vadala
Bennie Maupin
Benny Golson
etc...

For the better part of 30 years now, people have been thinking that metal yielded a more "cutting" sound to compete with guitars and other electronics that became popular. I made the change to Dukoff for years, now I am back to composite and find it has more to do with design than material. This is yet another whole can o' worms that has been debated on here.

[T-MAN]

Bob Mintzer--I think he uses a Freddie Gregory HR mpce

[cleger]

As I just found out the other day Ellery Eskelin plays a Lamberson J8. I haven't heard too many sound as good as him on tenor regardless of the mouthpiece material.

[Mike Cesati]

George Adams played an 8 HR Link
David "fathead Newman" plays a rubber link also on tenor

[drakesaxprof]

Almost forgot-
Jimmy Heath (RPC)
Seamus Blake (Link Reso Chamber 5*?)
Ravi Coltrane (stock Link Tone Edge 7* or 8)

Obviously, loads of great players have used rubber, and many more have fluctuated between metal and rubber as the playing situation demanded. Most important is to use what sounds and feels best to you, of course, rather than what the famous guys happened to playing when their picture was snapped. If that was the rule, we'd all be playing Grafton altos, since there are plenty of pictures of Bird with his. Nice that we have all of these options, and the benefit of hindsight.

[Crumpsax]

What about Sam Rivers? I've seen him twice. Once at a church and the other at a medium sized concert hall. Both times he had a rubber tenor piece and had a HUGE sound. No mic. Not bad for a man in his eighties!

[rini]

Sam Rivers yeah. I've seen him live.

All players of the "Lester Young school": Getz, Sims, Al Cohn, Bill Perkins, Richie Kamuca, Paul Quinichette, etc.

Hank mobley, Junior Cook, Joe Farrell, Tom Scott (now he plays Guardala, I think), Grover Washington Jr. (Berg Larsen), Gene "Jug" Ammons, Sonny Stitt (played on a HR Wolfe Tayne), Jimmy Heath (Meyer, now plays a RPC .105), Josh Redman (earlier a Link STM 9 (?), now a Link HR), Mark Turner, Bennie Wallace, Joe Lovano (Francois Louis wood mpc.), late Bob Berg (earlier), Fred Anderson, David Sanchet, Ken Vandermark, etc. Yes, and... Tim Price!

The list goes on......

rini

[Fred]

Never read thread titles when you're a bit groggy with a headache.

I could have sworn it read:

"Which Famous Terrorists Used Rubber Mpc?" :shock:

And I thought to myself, "Man! How could anyone that played sax at all be that whacked out!" :x

I've got my coffee now . . . I feel much better.

[cleger]

I could have sworn it read:

"Which Famous Terrorists Used Rubber Mpc?" :shock:

And I thought to myself, "Man! How could anyone that played sax at all be that whacked out!" :x

I've got my coffee now . . . I feel much better.


You may be on to something!! Maybe we should start airlifting saxophones to the middle east! How could a person consider a suicide bombing mission when you know they'll never touch your tenor again. Instead of wars we'll have cutting contests. :oops: I know it's lame, but I've only had one cup so far.

[Bill Mecca]

Never read thread titles when you're a bit groggy with a headache.

I could have sworn it read:

"Which Famous Terrorists Used Rubber Mpc?" :shock:

And I thought to myself, "Man! How could anyone that played sax at all be that whacked out!" :x

I've got my coffee now . . . I feel much better.
Fred,

you're not alone, that is what I read at first glance too...

King Curtis used HR as well as SS Bergs, Big Jay McNeely switched around, as Ptrick said, it's a common thought that the material mattered most, while it does matter, what matters most is design, the player, and way down on the list is material. That's my opinion.

[rini]

Agreed.

Let's have a cup of... :twisted:

Cheers,

rini

[MojoBari]

Osama Bin Laden, Hasan Izz-Al-Din, Will Ie Mecca...

[Bill Mecca]

Osama Bin Laden, Hasan Izz-Al-Din, Will Ie Mecca...
HUH?

now be nice.

[Super 20 Player]

Careful, Mojo. He's a Moderator now, you know...

[Bill Mecca]

Careful, Mojo. He's a Moderator now, you know...
ah, yes but I have terrorized audiences with my tenor. and I do have a sense of humor.;)

btw, s20, I was watching a DVD last night from SCTV with Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and my old friend Eddie Manion was playing tenor (usually on bari) and it was a nice silver neck S20... he plays on a silver plated Conn these days, but that had to be back in the early 80's.

just thought you would like to know. ;)

[Super 20 Player]

btw, s20, I was watching a DVD last night from SCTV with Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and my old friend Eddie Manion was playing tenor (usually on bari) and it was a nice silver neck S20...Obviously a man of discriminating taste! :king:

But just to keep this thread on-topic: was he playing a rubber mpc?

[Bill Mecca]

nope, I don't think I have ever seen him play tenor with anything but his Dukoff S... he does use HR on bari though.

[ted]

Joe Lovano

[playing_is_fun]

I really appreciate those of you who took the time to answer my curious question with no wisecracks and sarcasm; i appreciate you trying to help me out by attending to my curiosity.

However, I 'm pretty pissed off by those people who thought it'd be really funny to make some wisecracks and sarcastic jokes. In an effort to display their own abilities, to look "cool", or in a fit of arrogance, some people replying to this thread have chosen to be rather unkind - unfortunately I can't use the other word I'm thinking of in this forum. Your arrogance is much unappreciated. Some of you are so full of yourselves that you respond menacingly to any question you don't like. And personally, I'm willing to bet there's not a Coltrane within the lot of you. So I'd appreciate if you took your arrogance and sarcasm and took it elsewhere. Again, this is the minority. The majority was kind, and thanks to you.

Someone thought it was funny to right, "Osama bin Laden". One has to be pretty full of himself to ridicule another's question like that. And another even chose to bluntly state how ridiculous my question was. Are you so great that other people's questions are "ridiculous"? One person commented "how bout a cup of :twisted: " or somethign liek that. Why not have a cup of "humbleness"?

To forum admin, please do not take offense by what I have written here. I was merely stating my honest opinion and thanking the peopel that have been helpful. I was trying to warn the minority that sarcasm and arrogance aren't the way a musician should be.

Thanks.

[MojoBari]

Sorry you took offence at my post. None was intended. I was just jabbin' at my good Jersey friend Bill Mecca.

[JL]

Hey playing_is_fun, I don't think anyone meant to be arrogant or negative. Sometimes folks want to throw a bit of humour into the mix. That can backfire, but in this case I detected no arrogance, just "tongue in cheek." I'd say a bit thicker skin and sense of humour can be a real asset, especially if you're a working musician. Just a thought, even though I know you were looking for a straigth answer to your question.

[mister_bronson]

paul desmond

[Bill Mecca]

Sorry you took offence at my post. None was intended. I was just jabbin' at my good Jersey friend Bill Mecca.

no offense taken Mojo. It was all good natured fun.

[cleger]

However, I 'm pretty pissed off by those people who thought it'd be really funny to make some wisecracks and sarcastic jokes. In an effort to display their own abilities, to look "cool", or in a fit of arrogance, some people replying to this thread have chosen to be rather unkind - unfortunately I can't use the other word I'm thinking of in this forum. Your arrogance is much unappreciated. Some of you are so full of yourselves that you respond menacingly to any question you don't like. And personally, I'm willing to bet there's not a Coltrane within the lot of you. So I'd appreciate if you took your arrogance and sarcasm and took it elsewhere. Again, this is the minority.

Jeez man, tone it down a notch, nobody took any shots at you.

Maybe you should read a little more closely, the Osama crack was aimed at an earlier poster entirely in jest.

[Pete]

However, I 'm pretty pissed off by those people ... <Major Snippage>I'm an Admin and I'm not taking offense, btb.

COMMENT: I've been told by a variety of people that post here that they truly do not understand American humor/sarcasm in general -- or me specifically :).

Sarcasm truly isn't a global language. Posters, please keep this in mind.

playing, do note that the posters were trying to be funny (and summarily explained the joke) and you'll see many examples of this over the entire Forum. Don't take it personally. If you DO have a problem with another poster or post, it's a good idea to take it up with the other Admins/Mods (click on the icon in the post you have a problem with) rather than post that you have a problem with someone. That just causes hurt feelings.

Let's get back to the topic, please. Thanks.

I'm going to mow the yard and do all those nice non-vacation vacation things (I shoulda went someplace ...).

[dirty]

I really appreciate those of you who took the time to answer my curious question with no wisecracks and sarcasm; i appreciate you trying to help me out by attending to my curiosity.

However, I 'm pretty pissed off by those people who thought it'd be really funny to make some wisecracks and sarcastic jokes. In an effort to display their own abilities, to look "cool", or in a fit of arrogance, some people replying to this thread have chosen to be rather unkind - unfortunately I can't use the other word I'm thinking of in this forum. Your arrogance is much unappreciated. Some of you are so full of yourselves that you respond menacingly to any question you don't like. And personally, I'm willing to bet there's not a Coltrane within the lot of you. So I'd appreciate if you took your arrogance and sarcasm and took it elsewhere. Again, this is the minority. The majority was kind, and thanks to you.

Someone thought it was funny to right, "Osama bin Laden". One has to be pretty full of himself to ridicule another's question like that. And another even chose to bluntly state how ridiculous my question was. Are you so great that other people's questions are "ridiculous"? One person commented "how bout a cup of :twisted: " or somethign liek that. Why not have a cup of "humbleness"?

To forum admin, please do not take offense by what I have written here. I was merely stating my honest opinion and thanking the peopel that have been helpful. I was trying to warn the minority that sarcasm and arrogance aren't the way a musician should be.

Thanks.

Loosen up, man.

Nobody means you any harm.

Wayne Shorter uses a Rubber Link 10.

[saxamaphony]

Lester Young (Brilhart Ebolin during much of his career)
Chris Potter (Florida Slant 7*?)
Jerry Bergonzi (Link Tone Edge 8)
Trane (Ballads album, also ca. 65-67)
Wayne Shorter (again, sometimes, and a Link Tone Edge 10 or 10*?)
Archie Shepp
Eddie Harris (Selmer classical, as with Joe Henderson)

And, outside of jazz, James Houlik among legions of great classical tenor saxophonists.

Many others, I'm sure!
Why do you think Trane played a rubber mouthpiece on the ballads album? I'm pretty sure he didn't.

[Ptrick]

On the liner notes to "The Gentle side of John Coltrane" it does say that he ruined his normal mouthpiece and couldn't get that "fast thing" anymore in 1962. Amazing how mistakes often take you in another direction many times for the best sometimes for the worst...
Many folks around this time thought some of the upper brass were forcing Coltrane to make these "pretty" albums. They, along with the 3 Miles/Gil albums are amongst the most touching creations to come out of jazz in many years. IMO

[benjamin1979]

michael brecker is also using a rubber link for his ballad album and if u like rubber feel inside ur mouth , go for it man.
Yo man. "PLAYING IS FUN" I thought playin is really fun . is it? no offence.......... pls dont screw me......

[saxamaphony]

Chris Cheek, Mark Turner, Seamus Blake, Josh Redman are some of the younger guys playing rubber. Joel Frahm, Greg Tardy, Marcus Strickland

[Chris]

Joshua Redman *Tone Edge*

[Toot Sweet!]

Joe Lovano

He uses a wooden François Louis mouthpiece, if I'm not wrong.

[Dentarthurdent]

And I thought people had a problem with english humour!
All of the above greats listed shows an important thing about mpcs - the material they are made from is less important than the internal dimensions (facing length, tip opening, baffle, bore size etc) and the way the player uses them. Personally, comfort is a big issue for me - I prefer the feel of ebonite in my mouth to metal.

[fieldmarshall]

Joe Farrell. On Tenor and soprano. Great sound on both, does anyone know what mpcs he used?

[-TH]

Don't know about Joe Farrell's soprano setup but on tenor he used a HR Berg Larsen 100/1 mouthpiece.

[Michael Ward]

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