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muzaq
01-07-2014, 11:49 AM
Hello

I am wondering what model is this horn:
51143
51144
51145
51146
51147
Thank you for help

Hadamard
01-07-2014, 12:38 PM
If there's no model inscription below the thumb hook is the only model that was made by Grassi before dividing the line in Concertino, Professional and Prestige.

muzaq
01-07-2014, 12:47 PM
I thought that Professional has its name engraved.

milandro
01-07-2014, 01:26 PM
I agree, essentially, there were several modes which differed very little and mostly only in non essential details. So this is analog the later Professional.

muzaq
01-07-2014, 01:29 PM
So how can I determine if it's Professional/Prestige?

milandro
01-07-2014, 01:41 PM
I think that the finish was the give away

Wonderful and Prestige had silver plate keywork, the Prestige baritone, tenor and alto had also an F# key, the Lacquer Export had nickel plate keys ( but I have had one in silverplate) but no F# key ( I think).

So I think that the professional was essentially the same as the Professional. Yours has no F#.

muzaq
01-07-2014, 01:43 PM
So let me clear it as I am not sure if I understood you correctly: you think it's Professional? Professional 2000 with no F# ?

I am asking because I can buy it for 450$.

milandro
01-07-2014, 02:16 PM
no, never said that.

The Professional 2000 was a later model than a the Professional. The F# was an option on models which came, normally, without anyway. The Professional 2000 had left picky table like a Selmer. The one in the picture appears to be without that.

$450 is very cheap

http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?191525-Grassi-Professional-vs-Professional-2000

muzaq
01-07-2014, 02:24 PM
Thank you for your help but English is not my mother tounge and I think I am missing something in here. Can you tell me, straightaway, what model do you think it is? And if it is worth that money.

milandro
01-07-2014, 02:28 PM
1) It is a model analog to model Professional ( It is not a professional if it doesn’t say professional by the serial number, maybe made before Grassi adopted that name)
2) It is worth MORE than$ 450 IF it is all there and working

muzaq
01-07-2014, 03:39 PM
As far as I know, it has these information on it:

41,933
REG TRADE MARK
ITALY; 17,433 C/70
ASA ; 318,195.

milandro
01-07-2014, 04:11 PM
then my previous comment stands, equivalent to the professional model but not stamped as such.

however you turn it, $450 is a steal (it means that it is a very good price) for this saxophone

muzaq
01-07-2014, 04:20 PM
Then it's settled, I'm buying it. When the horn arrives I will post my review. I have also another Rampone&Cazzani tenor saxophone, made entirely of silver and golden plated that R&C knows nothing about :) Here's a link if anyone is interested and can tell me anything about it http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?206590-Rampone-Model-Florencia

Thank you milandro and Hadamard for help :)

muzaq
01-07-2014, 10:00 PM
Do you recommend it as a first horn?

milandro
01-08-2014, 05:41 AM
Do you recommend it as a first horn?

That R&C, I told you already, is a model that I’ve never seen or heard of. It sports the newest logo of the company......... >

If R&C don’t know anything about it is not a R&C.

I would be VERY skeptical that it is made of solid silver if R&C don’t know they have made it! Besides $600 for a solid silver tenor? 1Kg of silver is more than that!! Impossible!

The Grassi, if well adjusted is a good horn. Good horns are always good as first horn. Don’t start buying things like crazy.... before you know how to play.

DetroitDave
01-08-2014, 04:20 PM
I would heed all advice given by Milandro about Grassi horns. This looks like a good one. If it's all in working order and you decide not to purchase it, please let me know! :)
Also, is there a serial number on the neck tenon? Often 3 digits. And do those 3 digits match the last three digits of the serial number on the body of the horn (933)?

muzaq
01-08-2014, 06:57 PM
Do you think it's buying like crazy? I thought that 450$ is not much for a good horn :)

milandro
01-08-2014, 07:17 PM
I told you it is cheap :) . What I meant is don’t buy one horn after another before you have gained enough experience in this field.

muzaq
01-08-2014, 07:23 PM
Seems that I am not gonna be fooling around with my "R&C" any longer.

That's why I will probably buy this horn. I will try to check for these numbers too and let you know :)

un litro de chel bon
01-08-2014, 10:18 PM
it's a good price if it is overhauled

muzaq
01-09-2014, 08:45 AM
yes it is in good techinical condition.

MontyMac
01-10-2014, 05:24 PM
Looks Beautiful! That serial number shows to have been made in early 1980.

milandro
01-10-2014, 05:33 PM
ok, MontyMac, since you've changed your posting, so mine is no longer needed

MontyMac
01-10-2014, 09:49 PM
ok, MontyMac, since you've changed your posting, so mine is no longer needed
My first post was to ask what the serial number was, then I had thought to go through muzaq's postings in case I had missed it; which I had. So I changed it. Sorry, I didn't mean to steal your thunder.

MontyMac
01-10-2014, 10:24 PM
Sorry. Duplicate.

milandro
01-11-2014, 08:19 AM
it was not a thunder but just the the quote of his serial number

muzaq
01-11-2014, 03:21 PM
Numbers on the neck match these on the horn :)

muzaq
01-18-2014, 07:57 AM
Hello,

I got my saxophone yesterday. I haven't played it much yet so I can't say anything. First thing I noticed is that this one is smaller and lighter than my previous "not-so-real" Rampone&Cazzani. Do saxophones come in different shapes and weights?

milandro
01-18-2014, 08:03 AM
there is some variations in both weight and somewhat in size (although length and especially the distance between the toneholes and the total sounding length should be more or less the same to be tuned in the same pitch).

There are no known Grassi saxophones in any other pitch than standard low pitch.

muzaq
01-18-2014, 08:45 AM
It has a veery deep sound, dark and "heavy". I like it :)

MontyMac
01-18-2014, 04:22 PM
DARK and POWERFUL? Oh.Hell.Yeah! I didn't realize how Gorgeous the bottom end of my Bari was till playing Superstition (Stevie Wonder) in an orchestra pit last year.

milandro
01-18-2014, 04:39 PM
dark, powerful, beautiful and with a nice bottom..........Beyonce?
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2013/38/5c3d9ad677a2e0f9bc800bf81edb0ff110eeefd1.jpg

adamk
01-18-2014, 05:06 PM
Beyond Say

muzaq
01-18-2014, 08:02 PM
I like it,

since now I will be calling my horn Beyonce ;)

Together with my new 10mfan The BOSS they sing beautifully !!

muzaq
01-24-2014, 06:30 AM
The more I play it the more I love it !

It sounds on pair with horns 3-4 times more expensive :)