"SR" tenor

[John Robinson]

Does the SR tenor provide a Brillhart Tonalin type sound? From the Runyon site it was developed for the "West Coast" sound - e.g. Brew Moore or Zoot? Any experiences? I don't have easy accesss to try one for myself. Thanks in advance.

[Paul Coats]

Perhaps a little darker and smoother than the Brilhart Tonalin/Ebolins. Some players use these for classical tenor playing. Sort of a Getz type tone.

[Safesax]

John,
I can't compare to a Brilhart, but I have used SR's on tenor for two or three years. They are great mouthpieces - very versatile. I play everything from R&B to blues to standards on them, and am very happy with the result.

I think the SR's have great potential, and don't get the recognition they deserve. And they are relatively inexpensive. I just ordered one from gigdust.com for $68. Even if I have to spend a few dollars to have it hand faced, it will be a much better value than many pieces out there.

Just my opinion. Good luck!

Dale C

[Sigmund451]

I just got my SR today and slapped on an Alexander Superial. Awesome mouthpiece with a very distinctive sound. Perhaps not for everyone but on my The Martin Tenor it can go from a very melodic sound, to a breathy soft sound, to a rich thick robust tone. Great mouthpiece, great price. My only reservation is the Runyon ligatures...maybe they are ok but they sure look like they would fall apart if you looked at them funny. Surely a lot of fun.

[sjabariiii]

How would the Runyon SR for tenor compare to a rubber Link?

[Safesax]

sjabariiii,

The SR is a large-chamber, low baffle mouthpiece, so it has some of the same characteristics as a HR link. However, it has the profile of a metal mouthpiece, and therefore is smaller on the outside. Actually, the ligatures that fit the tenor SR's are made for metal tenor pieces or alto hard rubber.

I haven't done a side-by-side comparison of the link and the SR. But I own three SR's, and they are great - big, full sound with plenty of projection. I use them on my 1932 transitional Chu and my TH&C tenors, and they do a great job on either. There is a difference in the chamber between the newer SRs and the vintage pieces. No real difference in the sound, as far as I can tell, but the chamber has a different shape.

All three that I own have been tweaked to get the most out of them, but I think they are an excellent piece, especially for the price. Overall, a great value. Of course, personal preferences make a difference, and results will vary by horn and reed choice. But I highly recommend the SR also.

And Sigmund451, I agree about the looks of the Runyon lig, but I've never had one fail. I did pick up a Rovner that fit, but it darkened up the tone quite a bit. I prefer the stock lig so far.

Dale C.

[sjabariiii]

Thanks safesax. So is the SR's chamber round, or what? Is it much darker than a jody jazz (without spoiler) for instance?

[Hurling Frootmig]

The best way to describe the chamber would be elongated.

The SR is a nice piece. I can't say that it sounds a lot like anything else I own. It sounds like a Runyon SR. Mine is probably 20 years old.

[Safesax]

http://users.tc3net.com/dchadd/saxes/DSC00055.JPG

Hurling's correct. It's round most of the way from the neck, right up to the window. Then it becomes "horseshoe" shaped. The picture is not very good - I just snapped it with my Clie, but it might give you an ideal. Thanks

Dale

[Safesax]

but it might give you an ideal.

Uh, sorry. That should have been "idea."

I had a JJ tenor for a while, and the SR is probably a little darker. Definitely fatter in the low end, but very versatile. If it tells you anything, I have three SR's, and sold the JJ :P

Dale

[Hurling Frootmig]

The SR is a darker piece but has a fair amount of bite. I tried it with some Hemke's on my TH&C tenor but it didn't give me the kind of sound I wanted for classical. I'll be playing in a group this summer that will probably be a good fit for my TH&C and the SR.

[retread]

Yes, that must be a photo of an SR. The throat is off-center. It's genuine!

[Safesax]

:lol:

[Sigmund451]

Yes the throat is off center. I just received mine and thought I had gotten an oddball or screwed up mpc. I called Runyon and they said that the SR is still made using the original molds and die work. They stated that most if not all are off center and that unlike other Runyons a lot of hand facing is involved with this piece....more than any other Runyon. They also stated that they dont know how long the current materials will hold up...this, maybe is one of the reasons its considered a limited production piece.

[MojoBari]

Did they say "hand facing" or "hand finishing"? I think they mostly just remove plastic "flash" from the molding.

[Sigmund451]

Im not sure which term was used. The person I spoke with did say that it is labor intensive as compared to any other mpc they make. Also said it was Santy's first mpc and the original equipment. Thats all I know. It doesnt look hand faced....well at least the table...they have the usual machine marks as opposed to a smooth cut.

[sjabariiii]

The throat is off-center?! I don't get it. How can they get away with that? Wouldn't that make the piece play weird? Or is that the idea?

Then again, they make most of their mouthpieces out of plastic, which seems equally dumb.

[Sigmund451]

According to Runyon it was the original mold the die makers made for him and its the one used since. Aparently the mpc has been popular for years so I guess they get away with it fine. I didnt notice until examining closely. It plays well and is not noticable. I guess if it aint broke dont fix it! Play one before you slam it.

[MonchMan]

Play one before you slam it.

I agree, Never played a Runyon I didn't like. IMHO, 8) Metal pieces are highly over rated.

[MojoBari]

A piece can be pretty ugly inside and still play great. You should not play them with your eyes. But it is tough to lay down a bunch of $ and get something that doesn't look right. In Runyon's case, you are not laying down a bunch of money.

[frankbiff]

The SR is a large-chamber....

If its a large chamber mpc it must be open under the window, and then neck down into the bore? Just based on the picture above it looks like a smaller chambered piece; like a custom.

[Hurling Frootmig]

It's really like a double chamber piece in that the second chamber is elongated compared to a normal chamber which is why most people call it a large chamber piece. It has an overall volume in the chamber(s) that make it a large chamber piece. Don't let the window area fool you. Get a red or blue one that you can see through and you'll see what I mean about the chamber being long.

[Sigmund451]

That is very true and also stick your little finger in there and see how much room ya got. Its pretty close to as open as my Morgan L and longer. Not a small volume at all. Makes it easy on the low end on an old horn.

[Hurling Frootmig]

Here are some photos of the SR on my tenor. I think these will give you a better idea of the elongated chamber. The elongated chamber is all of the internal volume up to the beginning of the neck.




http://oldyani.home.comcast.net/runyonsr/runyonsr1.jpg

http://oldyani.home.comcast.net/runyonsr/runyonsr2.jpg

http://oldyani.home.comcast.net/runyonsr/runyonsr3.jpg

[MojoBari]

Is the chamber the same diameter as the neck cork, or larger?

[Safesax]

same diameter

[Les22]

Don't most mp's have chambers like this, with the bore same size as the cork. Only the runyon smoothbore has a smaller diameter chamber....actually, is not all this about the bore and not the chamber? I have an old mp from 1920, and it's bore is same diameter as the cork, but the chamber area is noticeably larger and there is no "horseshoe" window and no baffle to speak of. That mp is what I think of as having a large chamber. The SR looks like a Selmer with its horseshoe window. My Quantum has a bore/chamber the same diameter as the cork, all the way up to the step baffle. ....maybe the horseshoe window acts like a baffle (speed up air flow) but sits horizontally as opposed to vertically like step baffles. I don't know. Just my rambling thoughts. :)

[Safesax]

You may be right. With some of the SR's being transparent, it's a little more obvious what's happening with the chamber. Hurling's pics were helpful, and here's a pic of my red SR that shows the outline of the chamber.

http://users.tc3net.com/dchadd/saxes/redrunyon.JPG

I guess what really matters is how it plays, and I think they're a great alternative for some horns and players.

Dale

[Hurling Frootmig]

If I have time I'll try and get some better pics using the tripod.

[MojoBari]

It just looks like a Runyon Custom to me with less of an arch in the baffle. This piece may be Runyon's darkest , but it is not a large chamber design like the Links and classical pieces usually have. Using Theo's definitions (see his site) this is just a medium chamber, like most pieces are.

[Paul Coats]

The old mouthpieces of the 20's did have a huge chamber, but the chamber was was hand carved. What Runyon did with the SR tenor and Custom bari was make the bore extend up into the window area by using "overlapping cores" in the molding of the piece. This makes the chamber actually larger than the window. In conventional molds, the chamber core is withdrawn through the window area. So, the chamber MUST be smaller than the window in order for the cores to come out. The Custom bari and SR tenor had one core formed the front of the baffle and window, and the bore core had and extendd piece that came in from the shank end and overlapped into the window area. In this way, a larger chamber could be formed. Not only that, if a chamber is handcarved, as in those old mouthpieces, you could not make two alike, and it is a very slow process. Not many could be made in a day like that. With the mold design and using Runyon's process, mouthpieces could be made consistently the same, and in large quantity, and thus affordable.

The material used in the old SR's of the 40's was quite good, and I have worked on several that with a little light hand buffing looked like new. Same with some old Conn Comets (same material), I have seen.

The material Runyon uses now is superior to the old material, but even the old material held up well.

I personally measured the facings on Santy's personal Comet and original Custom alto (now called the SR alto), and they measured the same as freshly made Customs. No wear was visible on the tip and side rails. I measured the tip AND along the facing with feelers and glass gauge. He had been paying these mouthpieces since the 1940's, and were his most used alto mouthpieces.

The SR tenor was also played by Chu Berry, a Runyon student, BTW, as were three other of the sax section in Cab Calloway's band.

[Safesax]

Don't want to beat the topic into the ground, but I got a picture that clearly shows the shape of the chamber.

http://users.tc3net.com/dchadd/saxes/RedRunyon2.JPG

Dale

[Paul Coats]

The first picture in this thread is of a very early SR, and that chamber was soon changed to the one seen in Dale's photo above. I have personally worked on one like Dale's, in red, that was known to be purchased in 1946 at a music store in Los Angeles by a soldier returning from WWII Pacific Theatre. These have the same chamber as the ones currently produced by Runyon.

The chamber shown in that first photo in this thread, very few were made like that. Quite a rare one.

[Safesax]

...and that one's mine, too. I appreciate your comments, Paul.

I know I said I was done with pictures, but here's a picture of the three of mine, side by side. The white is apparently the oldest, then the red, and the black.
http://users.tc3net.com/dchadd/saxes/ThreeSRs.JPG
Note the slight difference in the baffle configuration, and the shape of the window on the new piece. Interesting to watch the evolution of the piece.

It's great to have somebody like Paul to provide input, since he is so close to the source. Thanks, again.

Dale

[zadu]

Fascinating picture; thanks!
Is the baffle shorter on the black one because of a longer core overlap and if so is the chamber larger because of it? Does the black one sound much different than the others? I wonder because I've been considering getting a new one.
My old white SR7 looks like the one in the middle above; I alternate it with a Link HR6*. The SR can be louder and is less tiring to play,it doesn't need as much air. I think the Link is "darker" and is easier to subtone.

[Safesax]

Zadu,
The baffle is shorter, but the chamber really isn't any bigger - the material right behind the tip is a little thicker until it drops off.

The pieces play similarly, but not identical. All three have been opened up, so it's hard to tell how much is the tweaking and how much is the differences in baffle, etc. The red was done by Jon VanWie, and the black & white by Mojo Bari.

I had bought a new blue SR a couple of years ago and had it tweaked by JVW, and let it go in a moment of weakness. I've regretted it every since. But the new ones play quite well out of the box. My biggest problem with them is that the neck opening is smaller than some mouthpieces, so they're very tight on the cork.

I'd go for it. Really reasonably priced for a piece that plays so well.

Dale

[Paul Coats]

As far as the comment about calling Runyon and asking how long their material will last... that is an unknown. I know that the old material lasts quite well, as witnessed by the number of SR's I have seen from the 1940's and 50's. Any ivory colored SR you see was molded before 1960, though some were faced just a few years ago.

Remember, plastics were in their infancy in the 1940's, and still, they used a top quality material way back then. Some years ago, I don't know exactly when, they changed the formula somewhat, to make the material more flexible, vibrate more like hard rubber.

About 6 or 7 years ago they slightly changed their plastic alloy formula, not the materials used, but the proportions. And in my opinion, and of Santy's that improved the material.

[Sigmund451]

Actually the comment Runyon made about lasting was not the material of the mpc but a concern on how much longer the original molds and machinery for making that specific unit would last as it is very old.

[John Robinson]

Paul - Do the same comments apply to the "SR" Alto as well?

[Paul Coats]

Actually, the SR alto was not called that originally. That was the original Custom alto. Years later the chamber was modified to give more edge and volume, and named the Art Pepper Model. So the factory called these Custom I (aka "Original Red Runyon") and Custom II ("Art Pepper"). Later still, was a third model, which they called the Custom III ("Custom Jazz") with a smaller chamber, higher baffle still, giving even more edge and volume.

In the 80's the dark smooth sound of the Custom I fell by the wayside, people wanted bright, edgy tone. for a while the Custom I was discontinued. The two Custom models sold were the Custom II (Art Pepper) and Custom III (Jazz). Art Pepper passed away, and they no longer used that name on the mouthpiece, so to simplify the catalog they simply listed them as Custom and Custom Jazz. The dies for the "Original Red Runyon" gathered dust on the shelf.

During the 90's, players again wanted a dark smooth tone, particularly guys playing 40's big band music, but also jazz combo, etc. There were a lot of requests for the "Original Red Runyon" and it was put back in production.

Santy and I were discussing confusion over the three models, how to differentiate between them. At that time, for the same reasons, the SR tenor was put back into production.

Another thing that happened, the internet, eBay, and a growing interest in "vintage saxophones". The SR tenor and original Custom worked very well on these old saxes, as they were designed in the 1940's for those saxes.

I suggested to Santy that since the tone of the older, original Custom was dark, smooth, and very similar to the SR tenor, to rename it the SR Alto, stamp with the same stamp, and thereby have a companion piece to the SR tenor. The other models would continue to be called the Custom and Custom Jazz. Less confusion to the customer, too.

So, that is how the SR alto came to be. That was the "Original Red Runyon" so popular with Chicago area players in the 1940's and 50's.

[GirardKen]

Yes the throat is off center. I just received mine and thought I had gotten an oddball or screwed up mpc. I called Runyon and they said that the SR is still made using the original molds and die work. They stated that most if not all are off center and that unlike other Runyons a lot of hand facing is involved with this piece....more than any other Runyon. They also stated that they dont know how long the current materials will hold up...this, maybe is one of the reasons its considered a limited production piece.

I had the same fears when I received my Runyon SR 5 a few months ago. I called Runyon and talked to Leroy and he gave me the same response. I agree to keep it awhile and keep trying it with different reeds. I get a great sound out of it using a Legere Studio Cut 2 and the lig that came with the MP. Very easy blowing on the low end.

[spiderjames]

Anyone ever clean up the chamber on one of these? even up the irregularities and smooth it out. And if so, did it make any difference?

[super20dan]

i have one too but my shank is cracking.i really love this mpc and hope i can get it repaired . i would be afraid a new one mite not play as good aS THIS ONE

[MojoBari]

It can take out some air noise and some edge. Depends on how irregular it is. You may notice no change at all.

[Paul Coats]

Anyone ever clean up the chamber on one of these? even up the irregularities and smooth it out. And if so, did it make any difference?

Yes, and it made no difference. Also, the rear edge of the Model 88 Baritone's baffle has a little flash. I have filed that off, and there, too, no difference. There is just not enough air velocity at these points to make a difference.

Edited to add:

The Runyon SR Alto and Tenor both take a Rovner standard clarinet ligature.

The Runyon Custom and Custom Jazz, also take a clarinet ligature.

[StrtdTooLate]

What ligitures do you use on your SR'a?

[super20dan]

i use a harrison clarinet lig

[StrtdTooLate]

The grand concert or what. Where did you get it?

[TJS]

I am intrigued by this mouthpiece and was wondering how edgey it can be. I am looking for a darkish sound but with edge. Ala Joe Henderson, Gary Thomas, Dexter Gordon. Will this piece be able to provide the edge or is it too dark? I'm considering links now but prefer a slightly smaller chamber than links.

Thanks.

[super20dan]

the sr tenor is a great sub for a link and for me more comfortable to play for long periods. its especially good for big band work and extra edge can be obtained when needed by using rico plasticover reeds.

[TJS]

I was trying to avoid using Plasticovers. I used to use them but found it difficult to get the warmth I was looking for with them. Any other runyon suggestions for a dark sound with edge. I tried a Quantum and did not like the small profile and tried a standard Jody Jazz and didn't like it at all.

Thanks.

[saxysteve]

I'm looking for a dark mpc that's easy blowing especially for the low notes and my search has led me to the Runyon SR for tenor. Is this mpc a high or low baffle ? Someone mentioned that a high baffle is not good if you have problems plaing the low notes.
I am currently using a Meyer G (6) and quite like the sound and feel. Does anyone know if this is a high or low baffle mpc too pls ?
Cheers

[rispoli]

Steve,
I got a #10 (it's about a standard 7*) from gigdust.com, which I think it's the only web store in the US that carries them (I may be wrong). There was literally zero communication from them and I got my piece a month and a half after placing the order.
Guess what, I believe it was worth the wait.
Once you see it for the first time it looks damn cheap and you'll hardly believe of its potentials. But just blow it! It is dark, loud and very, very easy to blow in all registers. I use it with Alexander Superial 2.5 and the results are stunning. It is not a baffled piece, so you can expect a fairly dark sound. I never played a Meyer G (which I believe is a no-baffle piece) but I expect the SR to be darker and more powerful.
For the price, 68$, it's hard to go wrong with this piece.

[saxysteve]

rispoli,

thanks for the info. I think I'll go for the #4......should be easier on the diaphragm. If it took 1 1/2 months from USA to Canada, I shudder to think how long to Hong Kong !

[Exiled92]

You also can deal directly with the folks at the Runyon factory. The price may be a bit higher, I'm not sure, but the service is great. www.runyonproducts.com. I like my SR 11, too.

[saxysteve]

The price is alot higher purchasing directly from Runyon, they explained that they must stick to their list price and need to keep their venodrs happy. They charge US$90 for the Tenor SR plus, and can you believe it.....US$50 via UPS to Hong Kong, or US$14 via normal airmail. Indeed their service is excellent replying immediately to my queries, i.e. they replied it is a long facing, low baffle mps which is what I am looking for, and as I have numerous expensive Alto ligs which are collecting dust, these should fit the Tenor mpc too.

I've tried Charlie A's which charge US$68 + $20 for sending, however, I've sent two emails to them and its been nearly 2 weeks and got no response at all.

I also tried Dave at Junkdude.com who I had previously purchased a Meyer G from, and he provides excellent service and the best prices too. He said that he just got back from the musical trade show in California and are considering their products and will let me know within a week. He also mentioned that his price and shipping will be better than Charlie A's. I've tried other websites but there don't seem to be any others in USA, only UK, but they're asking 90 Sterling and that doesn't inlcude shipping ! Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes with Junkdude.

[Billyfish]

Forum,

Yesterday (4/11/06) I ordered a black SR Alto #7 from Charlie A's

I'm writing this for several reasons. .. Yes, I know that this is or was a Tenor thread but, I hope I can shead light on several important subjects.

Objective:
1. Delivery time from Charlie A's
2. Is the Alto chamber off center like the Tenor ?

Subjective:
1. How do I like it / How does it play / How does it respond. What's the voicing like .. How's the intonation .. etc.. etc..etc..


I have played 2 to 3 Runyons on both my tenor and alto horns, they did not please me. The metal Quantum (don't remember the tip#) was returned very quickly.

I do value the input from SOTW. That is why I ordered and will post my findings.

So, like everybody else, I'm anxiously waiting.
:shock:

[saxysteve]

I got my Runyon SR Tenor Blue #4 which I ordered from Paul Coats a few weeks ago. I really love it. I was surprised to find my old Alto ligs are too big for it and I'm using a standard Soprano Rovner lig on it. The original lig is ok, but I think the Rovner one plays better on it. I inverted the lig so the screw side is on the reed side; sounds more centred. I prefer this to my Meyer G #6. My best set up seems to be with a 2 1/2 Vandoren (Blue Box); the Hemke 2 1/2 and Palsticover 2 1/2 plays well on it too. One thing I noticed is that the Runyon make the low notes much easier to play, I have no problems even with low Bb whereas before it was a 50/50 chance of hitting it right. The personal service from Paul Coats is excellent and I thank him for his patience and advice in answering all my questions. Paul even offered to reface the SR to a #7 (foc) when I'm ready. His price beats all others as he lives next to the factory.

[Billyfish]

Forum,

I just cancelled my SR order with Charlie A's. (4/25)
No mpc. and no return e-mails to the 3 that I sent.:cry:

There's other alternatives. :!:

I'm not sure if I'll persue the SR or not. But I will give other vendors a try.

I did have the pleasure of talking to Charlie A8-) atleast once. He was a nice guy and his advice and guidance is missed.

[saxysteve]

Billyfish,

Contact Paul for your Runyon SR mpc. Contact details below...........

SaxRaxUS [saxraxus@yahoo.com]
Paul R. Coats
SaxRax US www.saxrax.com
SAXRAX- 'Stands for the Professional'

[Billyfish]

Steve and Forum...

Thanks, I'll send Paul an e-mail.

I really would like to try an SR.

Thanks,

[Billyfish]

Forum,

Paul Coates is GREAT !!! 8-)

I sent him an e-mail an in a little better than a week I was playing the SR Alto.

Using a Fibracell reed, (strengths 3, medium and 2 1/2) all produce excellent tonality. I am extremely pleased. It's a darker tone with a hint of edge.
Your results may vary. It has decent projection but not like other truly high baffle pieces. Probably not a rock and roll piece where you have to get over the band and a buncha screaming people. Probably best said, a mpc. for a bit quieter settings.. may be jazz. You decide.

I can easily play from Bb1 to C#4. Easy blowing and not stuffy. Mine is a 7 tip. I did toss the Runyon lig. (Although it seems to work fairly well)
NOTE: Don't toss your Runyon lig. too far as this piece wil take some work to find another that will fit correctly.

The table, rails and tip look well finished. The tip rail seems a little wide to my eyes BUT my ears tell me that it's just fine the way it is. It seems to be built symetrically .. not like the tenor.. I haven't seen the tenor, so I really cannot comment.

Another note. My horn is an Amati 73PQ:alien: . It may be a bit on the bright side itself, so take that into consideration. With the SR Runyon, to me, it has just the right balance, more on the dark-ish side.

Intonation is very good in all ranges / all notes. A saxophone is NOT a perfect instrument (BIG argument starter :argue3: here) but a lot of "Tuner" problems seemed to be solved with the new piece. One of the things that may help this piece be dark is that the beak is fairly tall.. The opposite of the Quantum with the skinny beak. If you play "up on the beak" as I do, you'll find that it'll seem like you've got a lot of mpc. in your mouth.

Hope this helps :D

[saxysteve]

I should have listened to Paul Coats when I bought my first Runyon SR from him. I got a No.4 when he suggested to get at least a 7. After playing it for a couple of months I felt I could go for a larger facing so sent it back to Paul and he refaced it to a 7 (foc). I've now been playing it for a month and really love it. I was using a 2 1/2 Vandoren (Blue Box) on it but found it squeaked easily when I played louder. I switched to a #3 Plasticover and no problems; it even sounds better.....more alive. I think I've finally discovered the Holy Grail. :cheers:

My friend also bought Runyon SRs from Paul for his Alto (7) and Tenor (8) and he lives by them too.

Many thanks Paul

[super20dan]

the sr and plasticover reeds are a great combo. i have not even looked at another jazz mpc since i got mine!( tenor sax)

[saxysteve]

........yeah its almost as if the SR and Plasticover were made for each other. I've tried the latter with other mpcs and never quite got the sound I wanted. Even my Sax teacher noticed a big improvement in my sound last Saturday.

[super20dan]

i couldny agree more!. a perfect match. now all you need is a vintage harrison lig like i use and you will have reached moythpeice narvana

[Tully]

I just got an SR 11 today, and it's quite a good mouthpiece in my humble opinion. With a Rovner Dark and a RJS 3M, it has a very Hawk-like sound for me. I'm going to try out some Plasticovers in the next few days to try to get a little more zip out of it. Has anyone tried an Olegature on their SR, and if so, what size fits?

[saxymanzach]

Tully, from the looks of the pics and what has described here, the Olegature size would most likely be the 4G. I think in general, the design of the Olegature alows the reed to vibrate more (when I got mine, I iimediately felt the difference. My whole head was vibrating!!!), produceing a more full and 'spread' sound.

[Tully]

I'm actually thinking it'd be either the 1 or 2, since the SR is roughly the same size as an alto Custom, although I think it might be a little bit wide. I e-mailed Oleg Products and Saxquest, and I'll be sure to post what I hear (if anything).

[saxymanzach]

I was thinking that it was about eh same as a Link size-wise, that's why I said 4G. This is for your tenor, right?

[Tully]

This is for your tenor, right?

Yes, indeed.

[Tully]

when I got mine, I iimediately felt the difference. My whole head was vibrating!!!

Tooth patch, anyone? :)

[Ike Webkins]

Received my SR 5 a couple a days ago (after a very looong waiting)... what a disapointment:cry:

I do need to put a lot of pressure for a poor level (as well as a high air flow : very poor efficiency), a huge difference with my Morgan 4C which outperform it clearly (the tipopenongs are very close)

I used in both case Alexander superial 3, Marca Jazz 3 or FL 2,5 reeds.

Looking to the piece, I also saw the traces of the machining, the table and the shank being unjoined (a small strip seperated them):evil:

For 68$ (+ shipping), this mpc is much cheaper than the Morgan, but in its original status, I do thing it does not worth the price.:(

Ike

[zivley]

That is very true and also stick your little finger in there and see how much room ya got.

I don't have a little finger.
None of my fingers are "little", they're all huge, what can I do then?

BTW, I ordered my Runyon SR #8 from Paul Coats too, he's a great guy, very kind service, and I can't wait to get my mpc already!