trumpet from sax experiences

[triplebsaxman]

My name is Brian and I'm a Junior in High School in New York. I have been playing Saxophone for around 8 years (the main four saxes). I have noticed all my friend who play Trumpet have awesome ears, so i have been playing on my brothers hand me down selmer Trumpet. I have only been seriously playing trumpet for a year and i have what a lot of people call a good range on the trumpet. My highest clean note for me is a double G above the staff. I was wondering if i just have talent as a trumpet player (not trying to sound bold) or if the set up of the saxophone makes it easier to play high notes on a Trumpet?

Also i know that a lot of people look at Selmer Mark 6s or 7s like they're the king of the saxophones (being just alittle sacrastic, you know what i mean) i was wondering if there is a model of Trumpets that Trumpet player want or idol or desire (what ever word fits)?

Also playing the Trumpet has really improved my ears has that had that effect on anyone else?



Thank you so much

[Martin Williams]

Well as for "King" of trumpets, many of the trumpeters all know revere the Bach Stradvarius (the "Strad") as the best. Also up there for many of them are some of the old Blessings and Getzens and the newer Yamaha Xenos. Personally, I like my King Tempo 600, it just feels right to me; and the action is actually faster than most of the Strads my freinds play on, and has a bigger bore, and for me plays better than all the Strads Ive played. My favorite part about all this: Its a student horn!

Hope this Helps you!

Martin Williams

[Tom Goodrick]

I think you are right about the emboucher but I would put it this way: Playing trumpet helps with sax and playing sax helps with trumpet. You emboucher improves on each. They complement each other by using some of the same aspects - namely good breath control, but also lip tension - while making use of slightly different muscles in the detail of tone production and control. There certainly is no harm in playing each.

I also find that, although I played trumpet for many years before taking up the sax, my improvization on trumpet has improved by borrowing ideas from the sax. The more you learn about music in general, the better off you are on any single instrument. That's why I also advocate learning and using the keyboards that are available today at such low prices. They give a very good understanding of chord structure that is important in all aspects of music or to playing any one instrument well. These things can help you become a good arranger which is not a bad gig today with the help of computers.

Regarding brands of horns, I have been playing horns for 50 years. Certain brands were considered very good compared to others in brass instruments though few of us could afford them. (Working in music does not pay a whole lot!) 35 years ago I bought a flugel horn as a gadget to fool around with. It was of rather questionable heritage - Olds, Martin, etc though it is marked 'Reynolds.' 30 years ago I bought a Bach Stradivarious trumpet on the advice of several players with whom I was working. I played both actively for 10 years, practiced them a bit for another 5 years and them left them in the case until recently. The Bach trumpet looks like junk and plays only a tad better than it looks. The Reynolds looks great and plays great. The valves on the Reynolds are far better than on the Bach.

But today brands do not mean much. many names have been bought and sold to various manufacturers over the years. About the only name that has a known company solidly behind it is Yamaha (with a good reputation). But I know there is a range of quality from Yamaha but you probably get what you pay for. In saxes I prefer Yanagisawa.

[newking70]

i was wondering if there is a model of Trumpets that Trumpet player want or idol or desire (what ever word fits)?
Bach Strad. Mt Vernon, or if your a serious trumpet player you might want to get Flip Oakes "Wild Thing" trumpet, I've heard good things about them......just my two cents.......

[gary]

I'm very happy with my 1950's Martin Committee. :headbang:

[acglass]

The number one trumpet, comparable to how the Selmer Marks are the "definitive" saxophones is definitely the Bach Stradivarius. There will be many opinions in the based on individual players but everyone will agree that most people will answer Bach Strat (and Bach Trumpets are most literally the brothers of Selmer Saxes, if you look on the Selmer web page you'll find Bach there also.)

The ability to hear better through Trumpet playing is simple to understand because you could play one fingering and get 5-10 notes from it, so it forces you to learn how to listen.

Keep up the good work Brian and become pro on two (or more) horns. It's worth it on so many levels.

[Gandalfe]

This new member Aaron (ACGlass) is that music major son of mine that I often refer to. (He's in the picture of me on the meet your moderators topic.) He put together his own music group before I did. I take lessons from him whenever he's in town and sometime over the phone. I look forward to his graduation from BYU in the next few years so that he can move back to Seattle.

Aaron, I've been asking everyone to fill out their profiles including the list of instruments they own and bio. Since you have half of my instruments now, that should take you about a week to complete. :lol:

[mlkn1020]

I asked all the trumpet players I know this question and they almost all answered Schilke. Of course there are many different models. The quality of the workmanship is above and beyond the majority of other manufacturers. From what I've heard they are also much more consistent. Just another opinion to consider.

[dave1953]

Actually the Selmer saxophones and Bach trumpets are not related at all, they are just distributed by the same company in the USA. Selmer Paris actually makes some fantastic trumpets, and along with a lot of other smaller production companies, have a better rep than Bach. Read trumpetherald.com for discussions on the various trumpets available.

[JazzmanRob]

This is great! I was wondering if I'd find any sax-to-trumpet stuff here. I've been playing the sax for almost 12 years and recently decided to start fooling around on my brother's cornet. A couple of players I know told me to be careful not to kill my sax chops - they both said something about injuring the muscles towards the center of the mouth. From what I read here that's not such a problem as long as I don't try to play like Arturo from day 1!

Thanks!

[Martin Williams]

Yeah, I don't know anyone who has had that problem, not even me; and Ive tried playing like Maynard since day! :)

[gravyboat]

You should ask your local dealer about the new sonare line of trumpets. I've got a friend who plays both a sonare and a bach stradivarius and likes the sonare way more.

[Blackwolf42]

what about monette? My twin brother plays trumpet, and apparently the mouthpiece is actually soldered onto the horn or something! I wonder if this has ever been tried on saxophone? It seems a bit silly.

[Martin Williams]

Monette is a custom, high end horn maker. It works for some players, not for others to have the mouthpiece as one piece.

I dont think it could ever work for sax, but then if it was done, you wouldnt be so able to expirience GAS...

[usda]

Martin Committee. The newer horns has plastic...whatyoumaycallits in them.

[Martin Williams]

Martin Committee. The newer horns has plastic...whatyoumaycallits in them.

Valve guides, you can get them on the vintage martin committee trumpets also though. I am borrowing a freind's silver martin committee trumpet as a marching/pep band horn(Ive said before, all brass band, all silver horns) until I can replace mine, which was stolen a while back:evil: :x :evil: :x . GREAT horn

For a trumpet to play, I highly recomend the Getzen Capri trumpets, flat out extremely good horns, and can be gotten new in silverplate for $750(unless you are trumpet saavy, I got lucky and got one for $200 in new condition, but its been stolen now)

[Al Stevens]

King Silver Flair if you can get one from the H. N. white generation. Every trumpet player who has played mine has tried to buy it, including some Bach Strad players.

[Radjammin]

I might have some thoughts on this,
I don't have the most expensive trumpet but I did learn alot while I was shopping for it.
Bach is on top for modern horns, Yamaha is also good.

Like the guys said Wild things are stupid expensive but are suppose to be really good. I have also heard they are just replicats of vintage horns in their design.

As far as vintage Trumpets go there are a bunch of good ones. Olds are great, what I have. They have 3 different pro models, all great. Beige are good, esp the LA models. Pre 70's Kings are good. The only good Selmers from I have seen are the Selmer Paris models and Selmer K-Modifieds. Conn have some really good old ones, I have heard the60's constellations are good and so are the 40s and 50's Conns. Funny that the saxes from the same years are Awesome too. The Martin Commettee are also really good, Miles Davis played this.

So I guess Take your pick, as you can see I did alot of research. Got my 67 Olds Super for $380 shipped on ebay, A super steal. These horns usually only go for under $600, but it was still a good buy. It's got some dings but the values are awesome for 38 years old.

[oogywawa]

My Big Brother (45) is a professional trumpet player (among other things) since his teens. He knows his stuff (He graduated from Berkley, Boston in the 80's). Here's the problem, w/out going into great detail. He damaged is silver "strat" (I think) that he's had for over 20 years...I do believe that it's Ka-put (nothing slides, 2 of the 3 stick). He's down on his funds presently & will not take charity or a loan, (esp. from his baby sister). HOWEVER.. His B-day is in 2 weeks.

A friend of mine who's a professional flaminco guitar player forwarded me a lead on this trumpet for sale: cost $120. I do not know how old it is.

Silver Martin, Brio,
.459 bore,
1st & 3rd slide hooks.

The seller says that: Action is fast, no slides stick. Cosmetic crease on bell. Includes 7C and 1.5C mouthpieces and Schlossberg method book.

IS THIS A GOOD DEAL? sounds really cheap to me. Is this beginer's model or something? What should I look for when I go see it?

Any input you have would be GREATLY appreciated. So if you don't know, please call up a buddy who plays the horn & ask him for me.

Thanks & take care,
Kate:
hioogywawa@yahoo.com
:twisted:

[saxologist]

what about monette? My twin brother plays trumpet, and apparently the mouthpiece is actually soldered onto the horn or something! I wonder if this has ever been tried on saxophone? It seems a bit silly.


The Monette and lawler brands are HAND made and the best out there.

[saxologist]

I would be interested in Selmer modified K, Lawlers, or others let me know

[oogywawa]

WOW! You guys are great!!...that's just what I was hoping to get... There's a vintage olds & white on ebay that I'm now keeping my eye on.

btw, my brother has just just joined the 21 century & gotten his fist computer...when I teach him about chat rooms, I'll send him your way...so keep an eye out for Bubba the Khan from Fort Myers Beach!

Take care
Ktg