Facing Chart or measurments

[woodwindmaster06]

Is there a chart or a place I can tell for facing distance on Runyon Mouthpieces, they just give you numbers?

[MonchMan]

Here are a frw referances:

http://www.saxophone.org/facings.html

http://www.runyonproducts.com/images/tipopening.jpg

http://www.saxgourmet.com/mpfacing.html

http://www.jodyjazz.com/facings.html

I hope this helps

[woodwindmaster06]

Thanks great sites! Expecially http://www.saxophone.org/facings.html

[Mike Ruhl]

I think the chart at www.jodyjazz.com is probably the most accurate.

[Mike Ruhl]

At least as it concerns Runyons, I mean...

[MojoBari]

The Runyon and the Jody charts are fairly accurate for Runyons. There are errors on the other charts for the larger tenor and bari sizes.

[jeanniep412]

I noticed that on the Runyon charts, a tip opening #4 measures 64 but on all other charts that I've referenced, including Jody Jazz, the tip opening is 66. Does anyone know which tip opening is correct for a Runyon #4? :?

[MojoBari]

I would not be too concerned. Mouthpiece tips typically vary +/- .05". Some brands/lines are better than others. You would need to sample 30 or so from different lots to figure out a new average.

[djonk]

<<Mouthpiece tips typically vary +/- .05">>

should read: vary +/- .005"

[MojoBari]

YES! .064 +/- .005".

[colibri]

What's the measurement on an alto Runyon #12?

[MojoBari]

I have not seen an alto that big to measure it. I just looked at the charts and they only go up to 10. Extrapolating, The Runyon chart implies ~.101". The WW&BW implies .120" (!). I'm inclined to think ~.001".

Both charts probably have problems. I just noticed the Runyon chart has a wide gap between the 4 and 5 sizes for alto.

[Paul Coats]

The alto #4 is .066", and they don't usually vary. They are very consistent.

Runyon's inhouse chart give:

Alto

4=.066", 5=.070", 6=.074", 7=.078, 8=.083", 9=.090", 10=.100", 11=.110", 12=.119"

Tenor

4=.078", 5=.082", 6=.086", 7=.090", 8=.098", 9=.110", 10=.118", 11=.126", and I was told the 12=.134"

Anyone who would wish to get a jpg of this inhouse Runyon chart, which has comparison to Meyer, Berg Larsen, Brilhart, ARB, Selmer, Otto Link, and Beechlers, I would be glad to email it to you if you will write me at:

tenorman@teche.net

[T.J]

But it's different from what it's written at Charlie A's website (www.gigdust.com). A '5' is marked as 0.73" and '6' as 0.77

Someone needs to clear all this up because I'm getting confused.

[Les22]

If a tenor 12 is 0.134, I wonder what a 16 is? 0.170 ??
I've seen some people here say the play a tenor quantum 16.

I play a Q10, which I always thought was 0.103 instead of 0.118 that Paul C.'s post says.
Someday I'll get a calipers and check it out.
Les

[MojoBari]

In my experiance, the chart that Paul likes is wrong for the larger tenor and bari sizes. Most of my experiance is in measuring large Quantums. A tenor 12 is close to .110" (no where near a .134"). Perhaps the large Customs run different, by I can not imagine why.

See the links above for what I think are the best charts. They may have .005" errors, but not .024"!

[MandoPaul]

See the links above for what I think are the best charts. They may have .005" errors, but not .024"!

I don't see any links in any of your postings above?

[MojoBari]

Sorry. I should have specified the Runyon Products and Jody Jazz charts. I think they are the best for larger tenor/bari sizes.

The JJ chart looks better for alto. The Runyon chart looks strange around alto 4-5.

[Paul Coats]

In today's email from Donavan at Runyon:

"When we look at all of the tip openings tomorrow I'll let you know what the increments are amongst the tip openings 4 &
5 vs 8 & 9 etc. If there is an increase between tip openings etc.

Catch you on the Flip Side
Donovan H. "

[connman]

It would be nice to get a more definitive answer to this. I have a Runyon#9 tenor Smoothbore. One chart shows it as .110, another shows.099. That's a big difference to most players.