I'd steer clear of this guy....

[Joe Jazz]

Thought I had my R&C curved soprano sold to a guy named Joe Junio in California. He told me he had mailed me a money order, so I mailed him my sax(I know, too trusting). Money order never came, but my sax showed up at the post office today instead. No note, no explanation, no answer to my multiple e-mails. I was glad to at least get my sax back(and he packed it really well), but he kept the free pack of reeds I included and my R&C polishing cloth(guess he wanted a trophy). He basically jerked me around for about a month and now I have to start over. What a waste of my time :x .

[Dave Dolson]

Joe Jazz: That's too bad. At least you got the horn back - intact, too. I've sold/traded a few horns and mouthpieces with SOTW posters and we agree beforehand that the one who wants the deal will send the first item (or funds). When that phase is complete (e.g., I've received the horn to be traded or a check that's cleared, etc.), only then does the next phase begin (the shipping of the return-item or bought instrument).

How does one know? I suppose a lot of it is trust (as you tried to do). And a lot of it has to do with credibility, and maybe a proven track-record on eBay. The whole Internet thing is kinda risky, but so far, I have not been burned. Good luck re-selling the horn. Those are great players. DAVE

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks Dave! He did not know I was going to mail the sax before I got the money order, so I thought I was safe(and being nice so he would get the sax about the same time I got the $). I can't figure out why he would lie when he thought I wasn't going to mail the sax until the money order arrived. I guess he gets his jollies jerking people around....I'm glad I have better things to do with my time. I was counting on the money though, so it hurts. Plus, it ruined my faith in human nature. I've done a lot of deals with forum folks and never had a problem before. He had even called me and we talked for a couple of hours. He sounded like a nice guy. For a while I was worried he was going to steal my sax, but at least he didn't do that. And like I said before, he packed it a lot better then I did. I can't figure some people out...... :shock: :?

[Kritavi]

Just for the record, this guy responded to a SOTW mouthpiece sale of mine. He made an offer I accepted. Weirdly he said he sent a m.o. but I never got it. He said he sent it and after confirming with the post office that I had not cashed it, he paid by paypal.
And so I would say for me it was a no problemo transaction, however if I had sent the piece after hearing a m.o. was on its way, then who knows.

[Joe Jazz]

I have clients that have imaginary friends, maybe this guy sends imaginary money orders. At the time he said he sent the money order he mentioned he could've used Paypal but wanted to avoid any fees. That didn't make much sense because if he could send me the $ by money order why would he have to use a credit card with Paypal? I thought drummers were goofy! :?

[Kritavi]

TO give the benifit of the doubt, particularly since my transaction went smoothly, perhaps he sent two money orders that got lost or stolen at the point of mailing. Unlikely but possible.

[Joe Jazz]

It's a difficult situation because I understand when you send a money order without delivery confirmation you don't really know if someone got it if they say they didn't. You might end up paying twice for the same sax. I won't be going that route again. He's on trips all the time so communication is not his strong point. A note of explanation would have been nice, along with the box of reeds and the polishing cloth he stole. He said he'd play-tested one and wanted it, and then he ships it back to me without a word. Doesn't make any sense. Benefit of the doubt doesn't apply to thiefs where I come from.

[3saxes]

Joe Jazz, say what you want about the guy for not buying your horn, but you should be thanking your lucky stars and whatever being you pray to that he returned the saxophone to you. You were absolutely CRAZY, no that's too mild.... STUPID, (no offense, just being real) yeah, that is more appropriate, for sending the horn prior to receiving payment and but for the grace of god, you would be out that horn as well.....quit griping about his not buying your horn and be damn glad that you still have it to sell.

[Joe Jazz]

Indeed I am grateful that he did not keep my sax. If trusting someone who had seemed trustworthy is stupid, then yes, I am stupid. If trying to be nice is stupid, then yes, I am stupid. If always striving to give people good service and be fair during transactions is stupid, I plead guilty. I apologize for having shared my stupidity with you. Let's hope you never do anything stupid..... :oops:

[UMBari]

I have just had a similar experience with this same person, "Joe Junio." Both he and I traded for mouthpieces from another SOTWer, and as it turned out the seller sent the mouthpieces to the wrong addresses. Joe received the Tenney STM Link intended for me, and I received the Lawton intended for him.
I sent out the Lawton about 2 weeks ago, and he e-mailed me saying that mine was on the way. 2 weeks, no mouthpiece. Plus, the fella who traded with Joe has not yet received his mouthpiece! I have tried to contact him via e-mail and phone (got the number for the original seller) and he has not replied.

A confusing and frustrating story. Bottom line, this guy owes me a mouthpiece. Hopefully, things will work out and the transaction will be completed.

www.VeePopat.com

[Beowulfmk]

Why don't you guys file complaints to police? You know his address and name. If you file enough complaints, he may return mpcs.

[Kritavi]

Joe, I can understand wanting to be nice but I have to say that when a Buffet sax I won on ebay arrived before I sent payment it actually made me uncomfortable. The guy worked for FedEx so he just shipped it right out, he had only 2 or 3 feedbacks at that point. I wrote him really urging him to never do that again and he agreed it was let's just say "ill-advised".
Quick, friendly service and good packing is being nice and definately nice enough. Do yourself a favor and ship on receipt of payment.

[Joe Jazz]

I agree I was stupid to take the chance and will not do so again. I took a gamble on human nature and could have lost my soprano, so I do thank the Sax Gods that all I lost were some reeds, a polishing cloth, shipping costs and some time.

[Stacey]

Not stupid - "naive", "idealistic", "overly trusting" - those are the correct words to apply. In an ideal world, it shouldn't matter which party sent stuff first. But let's face it, in this world the buyer could be considered foolish for sending money before having the horn in hand! It's come down to "whoever blinks first, loses".

I'm trying to sell a couple of cars at the moment. In the end, I'm probably have to go to the buyer's bank, watch the cashier's check being cut, walk over to the notary's table, and let the buyer and the notary watch me signing over the title. It hasn't been that long ago that a person could just exchange car keys/title for cash or a personal check out in front of the house, and watch the old car being driven away by it's new owner. Maybe soon the Bluetooth device in my head and the Bluetooth device in the buyer's head will just be able to complete the title signover and the funds transfer securely, yet without any of this paranoia.

[Joe Jazz]

Bluetooth? Is that some new part of PayPal? :?

[Joe Jazz]

I finally heard back from Joe Junio. He reportedly had been given a cruise as a gift and had to leave suddenly, and so was incommunicado. He apologized for any misunderstanding and explained that he will be sending my reeds and polishing cloth to me. I have accepted his apology, and am glad he finally got back to me with an explanation. I still don't know what happened with the money order, but NUFF SAID.

[Charlie A.]

As most of you know, I have been working on a new rock and roll, R & B mouthpiece line for months now and am glad to say that it is close to being made available to you.
I have been sending out prototypes of this mouthpiece to players all over the USA AND CANADA. These were sent free of charge with the understanding that the player would try the piece for a week or two and then send it back with comments as I was very limited in the number of prototypes that I had available.
I have sent these to many players, most of whom I didn't know, but sent them with the faith that any player should be glad to get to try something newly innovated at no cost except the shipping back home to me.
All has gone well UNTIL I got an e mail from a guy in California named Joe Junior (Joe Junio???).
I had e mailed with him before I sent the piece and then when he didn't return the piece after about 6 weeks, (I mailed him the piece on March 29th), I e mailed him and tried to find out why the prototype had not been sent back---------well the e mail had been changed. I wrote him a standard letter via mail and it did not come back which meant someone at his address did receive it with his name on it.
After a period of no response from him I sent him a Certified letter which came back "REFUSED" which meant he would not take it. I found his phone number and have repeatedly tried to call and all I get is a voice mail which is never answered.
I thought about this for a long time and in conversations with Harri R.via e mail I decided that such an individual should not be allowed to completely get away with discrediting the professional musicians that are honest by his actions.
I have decided to give you the information that I have on this individual as it seems positive that he is using this forum, possibly as well as others, in working scams to take advantage of other players and by knowledge of his actions should be stopped.
If this is the same individual, Joe Junior alias Joe Junio, from California then here is his name, address, phone number, and FORMER e mail address. If there is another Joe Junio that is a different person then please inform me of that at charliea@watervalley.net.
Give him a call or write him a letter and tell him how you appreciate what he makes the rest of us look like in the eyes of all by his actions. His behavior makes dealers and manufacturers afraid to trust you in situations such as this for fear of being taken advantage of. Here is the information that I have on this individual. His name is;

Joe Junior
28586 Coleridge Ave.
Hayward, Ca. 94544
Phone: 510-714-4747
E mail (former): friend@cwnet.com (Friend--a nice trusting e mail huh?)

I don't see how I could be mistaken in any of this but if I am, Joe Junior please contact me and I will most certainly write a retraction on this site----AFTER I RECEIVE MY MOUTHPIECE BACK with a suitable explanation.

I did tell him via his voice mail that I would give this information out if I did not hear from him relative to the situation and I have not to date. The loss of the mouthpiece is not the point but after reading the previously written posts above relative to this guy, or his twin brother, I felt it necessary to expose him to all of you so that you won't be taken in any more by him at least.
Regards,
Charlie A.

[Joe Jazz]

Charlie,

that is indeed Joe Junio's phone # and he lives in Hayward.

[Charlie A.]

Someone with a bad experience with this guy e mailed me and verified that this was indeed the same person and lived in Hayward, Ca.
He said that he used a different e mail with him. That e mail was/is/??: Nextel@cwnet.com.

Correspond with him and tell him hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie A.

[Joe Jazz]

Uh, this doesn't mean we're going to march on his castle with torches shouting "kill the monster", does it? :shock: Couldn't we just take up a collection and send him a copy of "Business communication for dummies?". California is already on fire in too many places....... :wink:

[Morry]

Hey, if anyone has a telephone autodialer program, you might want to call that number every 30 seconds 24 hours a day just for the fun of it.

[Joe Jazz]

Morry, you're such a troublemaker! Got any other appealing traits? :D

[Kritavi]

The email address Charlie gave
nextel@cwnet.com
was current as of mid-april when I managed to succesfully complete a transaction with this guy.

[Joe Jazz]

FYI- I just received my reeds and polishing cloth back from Joe Junio as promised. Hopefully he will find the time between business trips to straighten out his other problems also.

[Joe Jazz]

I just concluded a mouthpiece transaction with Joe Junio, and everything went well. Just wanted to pass that along.... :)

[shmuelyosef]

Joe,
Do you still have that R&C soprano for sale? is it the 'saxello' or full curved??

[Joe Jazz]

I sold it a little while ago to Anton Sanchez. It was the curved R1....I do miss it at times.....but it's with a good guy and that's satisfying....