Another Pass Around

[Phil Barone]

Another pass around I'd like to do is for all the guys playing old metal Links on tenor. I have a job I do on new Links that would turn some heads and with NO added baffle. When I'm done they're twenty to thirty percent louder and are very free blowing, dark and very robust with lots of overtones and they can get brighter as you blow harder but they don’t thin out. They're better than any old Link and I'd bet my pajamas on it and I love my pajamas.

They're the kind with the feet and they have little Donald ducks and Mickey Mouse’s all over them and they're flannel and I just can't wait for the winter to come so I can wear them cause they're so warm and cuddly. When I was younger I had a couple of different pair with a big flap in the back with two little snaps so I could open it up in back where my hiney is so I could do doo doo (number two) and I wouldn’t have to pull my pants down. I loved those. They also had a flap in the front to pee. They just don’t make PJs they way the used to. And there was a pocket in front so I could take snacks in bed and my moms couldn’t see them and I’d take my flashlight to bed with me and eat under the covers and read while I stuffed my face. Oreos, all kinds of cookies and goodies but one time I tried to put some chicken Marsella in the pocket and I forgot to wrap it up and boy, what a mess I made. The gravy was all over the place and the lint from the pajamas was stuck to the chicken and well, I ate in anyway and threw the bones under my bed. I forgot to throw them away and my mom found them and I was in big trouble because the next day ma was cleaning my room and she found them.

While the bones were under my some ants had gotten in there and were crawling all over the place and ma got so mad she started chasing me all over the house with a big wooden spoon while she was whacking my butt with the spoon and screaming curse words in Italian. Finally I found my way to the bathroom and locked myself in there and just waited until she went away. She sat out there waiting for me to come out but I just waited and waited until she went away. My mother could get pretty mean. They were Sicilians and her grand father beat the c**p outta everyone on the weekends for kicks. I guess everyone needs a hobby.

What was I talking about? Oh yeah, I'd also like to do one with a baffle. I know how to do that so the high notes stay fat. Guys playing high baffle pieces love them. I guess I'll have to make a few and send them around or put them up on eBay.

But anyway I'm always looking for good pajamas and it's okay if they're used as long as they have the feet. That's really what seperates the great PJs from just average PJs so if anyone happens to see any out there please let me know. Donald Duck and Mickey a plus but will settle for Popeye.

Phil Barone

[jmoen3]

That story is going to hit straight to home with the guys around these parts :D!

I can barely remember my "One-sie." Good times though I'm sure.

Anyhow, I like the idea... I just wish I had a tenor... or maybe you could help us alto brethren out :).

[Dr_sax]

Hey Phil, how about the star wars sheets on bed? My younger brother always had these. They´re a perfect fit to pajamas with feet. But they are very rare over here in the old world.
By the way you can send one with my hollywood for a pass-around if you like to.
All the best
Dr_Sax aka Boris

[stormott77]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make do.

[Nefertiti]

Sign me up Phil. I'd love to try a link that you have worked on. and a Jazz and Hollywood for that matter. I haven't played one of your pieces in quite a long time! Let meknow if you need my address. Is your secret the tip rail? You have a very unique tip rail unlike any other mouthpiece maker. I've always wondered about that. if you can't say I understand.;) Steve

[Phil Barone]

That story is going to hit straight to home with the guys around these parts :D!

I can barely remember my "One-sie." Good times though I'm sure.

Anyhow, I like the idea... I just wish I had a tenor... or maybe you could help us alto brethren out :).

Sure, I can do what I think it the ultimate lead alto mouthpiece.tarting with either a meyer or one of my New York alto mouthpieces I do a bunch of work to the chamber then put a small baffle in it buut you don't get the harshness of a baffled piece. It retains it's warmth but when you lean into it it gets brighter and funky. Great stuff. Phil

[eddierich]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make doo.

Fixed.

[Souportwenty]

You can sign me up too Phil. I've never played a link on my Silversonic tenor I liked but love the sound so many guys get on them.

[Phil Barone]

Hey Phil, how about the star wars sheets on bed? My younger brother always had these. They´re a perfect fit to pajamas with feet. But they are very rare over here in the old world.
By the way you can send one with my hollywood for a pass-around if you like to.
All the best
Dr_Sax aka Boris

I hate Star Wars. Yuck!

[Phil Barone]

Sign me up Phil. I'd love to try a link that you have worked on. and a Jazz and Hollywood for that matter. I haven't played one of your pieces in quite a long time! Let meknow if you need my address. Is your secret the tip rail? You have a very unique tip rail unlike any other mouthpiece maker. I've always wondered about that. if you can't say I understand.;) Steve

Steve, send me your address. You'll be the first one in line. What are you using now on tenor? Phil

[Phil Barone]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make do.

Are you serious? You found adult size PJs with feet at Target? PB

[brasscane]

I am too distracted to read long posts and don't like PJs and certainly not PJs with a baffle but I would like to be included in the pass around for the Link with Donald Duckies and Mickey Mouses engravings on the shank.

[jmoen3]

That story is going to hit straight to home with the guys around these parts :D!

I can barely remember my "One-sie." Good times though I'm sure.

Anyhow, I like the idea... I just wish I had a tenor... or maybe you could help us alto brethren out :).

Sure, I can do what I think it the ultimate lead alto mouthpiece.tarting with either a meyer or one of my New York alto mouthpieces I do a bunch of work to the chamber then put a small baffle in it buut you don't get the harshness of a baffled piece. It retains it's warmth but when you lean into it it gets brighter and funky. Great stuff. Phil

Well put me on that list for the alto one :). I'd love to get a shot at one of these great pieces.

[melvinsax]

Hey Phil, sign me up!
I'm using a Florida STM 7* on my tenor. I love the sound but having a little problem on the altissimo, need reeds 3 1/2 or 4 to make them speak but then the lower register become stuffy! Wish a piece like my Florida but with big fat altissimos on a reed #3!

[Blueskiestenor]

Sounds like a good passaround. Sign me up. (Well, actually, I guess I should PM you the info). I'm currently digging my Modern NY STM, 7, refaced to about an 8 with an added baffle, but I'm really trying to find a rich sound (my mpc probably has it in it, though).

[stormott77]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make doo.

Fixed.

Thanks much better!

[stormott77]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make do.

Are you serious? You found adult size PJs with feet at Target? PB

What is your size I will see if they still have them in stock. My guess is it would be hard to find a target in the middle of New York. If they have them still in your size I will get you a pair.

[Bebopalot]

I would love to be part of a pass around but of all the pass around threads that I have agreed to participate in (and there have been many of them), I have never received anything. I know mouthpiece makers want to get the most for their pass around so I'm wondering what the criteria is to be able to participate in a mouthpiece pass around.:?

[Gregg W. Jackson]

Phil, is your Link job that same one that you did for me a few years ago? If you have come up with something new since then, I have a stock Link that I'd love to have you work on.

[gary]

I am too distracted to read long posts and don't like PJs and certainly not PJs with a baffle but I would like to be included in the pass around for the Link....

Well, another unfocused Phil Barone thread wandering around in cyberspace sublimity. :roll: May I suggest to help Phil out, that we have one post that is a sign up list - and a sign up list only, no other comments - so he can easily keep track of who wants to be included in the pass around? Simply copy the list and add your name at the bottom. Then the other banter can go on its merry way unencumbered by anything important that might be overlooked. :D

Phil - do you want each participant to email and/or PM you their addresses?

Please see the list after my latest post below:

[HonkBopSax]

PM'd Phil...

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax

[gary]

THOSE WISHING TO BE PUT ON A PASS-AROUND LIST, PLEASE COPY & PASTE THE LIST IN A NEW REPLY WINDOW AND ADD YOUR NAME AT THE BOTTOM OF IT:

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax

[gary]

(there were some edits, LOL. Look like honkbopsax is clairvoyant - or maybe he is. :shock:)
Carry on.

[ian nevins]

Me too please! Thanks Phil.

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax
iannevins

[divisi]

I would like to be included. Thanks
Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax
iannevins
divisi

[Dr G]

I found some monkey onesies for adults at target and got some for me and my wife. The first two months after my baby was born thats all we wore. We called then our baby uniforms. They are red with monkey faces on the feet and a monkey face right at the chest. they zip up the front. They don't have a poop flap in the back but I make do.

Are you serious? You found adult size PJs with feet at Target? PB

That depends on your definition of "adult size" - I saw those too but they won't fit me. ;(

[magical pig]

I've already Pmed PJ Phil...

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax
iannevins
divisi
magicalpig

[CraigH]

Well, another unfocused Phil Barone thread wandering around in cyberspace sublimity. :roll:

I'm not sure how this thread could have gone in any other direction considering Phil's original post. ;)

[Datsaxguy]

Dear Uncle Philly,

I love those pajamas!!! but you don't have to go without them any longer.

http://www.bigfeetpjs.com/

If you are serious about that passaround, I play a Bob Carpenter reworked Link and would like to try out your version of a reworked Link.

Datsaxguy

P.S. Your post is classic

[SMF]

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax
iannevins
divisi
magicalpig
smf

looking foreward to playing the mpc

Steve

[Phil Barone]

Dear Uncle Philly,

I love those pajamas!!! but you don't have to go without them any longer.

http://www.bigfeetpjs.com/

If you are serious about that passaround, I play a Bob Carpenter reworked Link and would like to try out your version of a reworked Link.

Datsaxguy

P.S. Your post is classic

Well this just makes my year! I am so excited! Thank you! Phil

[MyMartinTenor]

Alright, I'll jump in. Contact info incoming, Phil:

Dr_sax
Nefertiti
Souportwenty
squeak
melvinsax
Blueskiestenor
Bebopalot
gary
honkbopsax
iannevins
divisi
magicalpig
smf
MyMartinTenor

[gary]

Well this just makes my year! I am so excited! Thank you! Phil
http://www.bigfeetpjs.com/

I think you should for the pink, Phil. :D

Hey! Where are the booty flaps? :(

[Phil Barone]

So about the passaround; I'm not sure how it works. What if someone doesn't send it to the next guy? I have four tenor pieces that should be passed around. The Hollywood, the Jazz and two styles of custom Links. None of which I have in stock. I'd hate to see the wrong style piece go to someone because then they would just think it stinks and the mouthpiece will get a bad review.

Anyway, I'll have a Jazz first in let's say a 7* facing so anyone that plays a Link style mouthpiece should get on that list first. Don't bother if you play a bright piece because you probably won't like it. I don't know how the passalong system works so someone fill me in. I do have a concern about them not getting sent to the next guy or being returned to me. What insures that won't happen?

I'll need everyone’s info:

Name
Address
Phone number
Email address
SOTW USERNAME

TO philbarone@philbarone.com.

Please don't forget to send me any of the info so I don't have to go back and forth with a ton of emails.

We'll do four separate ones. In your email to me specify which one you'd like to be in on.

1. The Jazz model is for guys playing Links but want more volume and brightness with easier high notes and brightness

2. The Hollywood is for pretty much the same things as the Jazz but gets more contemporary when you blow harder. The same guys that like Links and the Jazz model usually also end up getting one of these. The design is very similar but they play very differently but it's impossible for me to describe the difference. It's like trying to describe the difference between chocolate and Vanilla.

This is a fantastic piece and Mike Brecker was playing one for several years before he passed on but it was kept hush hush because he felt in debt to Dave Guardala and they were friends. I do however have documentation as proof that he was using one, two actually.

3. A custom link with no added baffle for a much better version of an Otto Link of any era. I customize these using a brand new Link but they don't look anything like a Link when I'm done. I even make them the same length as an old Link and I don't just cut the barrel down, I even shorten the body of the mouthpiece to the same length as the Florida era or double ring era.

They're dark and very robust and free blowing and they're louder than a stock Link provided you use the right reed on them. You may need a softer reed on this piece because the chamber is larger than a stock Link so it requires more air. If everyone listens to me you should be floored by the way all of them play provided it's the correct style of mouthpiece for you. If you have trouble CALL ME and we’ll discuss it and see what the problem is.

I have guys buy mouthpieces off of my site all the time without consulting me and it’s usually a mistake and I get the flack for it. The truth is players don’t know much about mouthpieces and you’d think that the internet would help. Well, it’s made it worse because you have a slew of these so-called mouthpiece techs out there that buy a file and a couple of sheets of sandpaper and then hand a shingle out and open for business and then go and give a bunch of bad advice to everyone and because they have a website everyone believes them.

So, if you're playing a high baffle piece it doesn't make sense to try a Jazz model. I can say without equivocation that a Jazz model is a better piece than any Link provided you have the right facing with the right reeds. It’s just louder and more free blowing and because it’s more free blowing you can get a larger variety of colors from it making it a more versatile mouthpiece. Also, and this is VERY important. If it’s not just right it can be tweaked. The best mouthpieces aren’t off the shelf, they evolve. I worked on my mouthpieces for years and years dialing it in while I played it with hundreds of reeds. They weren’t huge adjustments, they were very minor until the pieces peaked.

4. Last, a totally custom Link using a new Link as a blank and I do the same job as #3 only I put a baffle in it. Nobody does these the same way I do so if you've played a Link with a baffle before don't think that this will be like it because it's probably going to be very different.

Gentlemen, please start your engines. Phil :D

[wisedude]

Phil, I just sent you an email to be added to the list for the Jazz and the Hollywood

[Phil Barone]

I just made a modification to the needed items. In addition to name, address and the other stuff I'll also need your SOTW username. Thanks! Phil

[Phil Barone]

Dear Uncle Philly,

I love those pajamas!!! but you don't have to go without them any longer.

http://www.bigfeetpjs.com/

If you are serious about that passaround, I play a Bob Carpenter reworked Link and would like to try out your version of a reworked Link.

Datsaxguy

P.S. Your post is classic

Does it have a baffle or not? Email all that info of what you're you're using, mouthpiece and facing plus:

Name
Address
Phone number
Email address
SOTW USERNAME

TO philbarone@philbarone.com.

[Phil Barone]

Hey guys, please listen up. In case you didn't send all the info please send it to me. I need all of the following:

Name
Address
Phone number
Email address
SOTW USERNAME

TO philbarone@philbarone.com.

Plus your social security number, bank account numbers and the banks where they're held, all of your credit card numbers, your mothers maiden name and your fisrt born son. Phil

[MyMartinTenor]

So about the passaround; I'm not sure how it works. What if someone doesn't send it to the next guy?

You can hound them with their phone number, e-mail, etc. Other board members waiting in line can get ticked off and send nasty-grams. If it got outrageous, I assume you'd have some legal options.

Generally, these things move along pretty smoothly, but I've heard of mpcs getting "hung up" for a while with a particular reviewer. Sad...

[Phil Barone]

So about the passaround; I'm not sure how it works. What if someone doesn't send it to the next guy?

You can hound them with their phone number, e-mail, etc. Other board members waiting in line can get ticked off and send nasty-grams. If it got outrageous, I assume you'd have some legal options.

Generally, these things move along pretty smoothly, but I've heard of mpcs getting "hung up" for a while with a particular reviewer. Sad...

So do any of the pieces ever disappear? I work too hard and sell them for too little to get ripped off. I think anyone that takes a mouthpiece should get kicked off the NG. Phil

[MyMartinTenor]

I've never heard of a disappearance. But, you could restrict it to more "seasoned" forum members (?). Nothing requires you to send it to everyone.

.... If this kicks me off the list, I understand. ;) ha

[Phil Barone]

I've never heard of a disappearance. But, you could restrict it to more "seasoned" forum members (?). Nothing requires you to send it to everyone.

.... If this kicks me off the list, I understand. ;) ha

I was actually thinking the same thing. PB

[gary]

Oh, boy. This this is great ! :thumbrig:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/DrJazz_/flounder1-1.jpg

[magical pig]

Restricting the passaround to members residing in the US with more than a year long membership and a certain amount of posts would be a good start if you're worried about one of your mouthpieces "disappearing" IMO.

Victor.

[brasscane]

Restricting the passaround to members residing in the US with more than a year long membership and a certain amount of posts would be a good start if you're worried about one of your mouthpieces "disappearing" IMO.

Victor.
I remember when you were a piglet here not long ago...

[magical pig]

Restricting the passaround to members residing in the US with more than a year long membership and a certain amount of posts would be a good start if you're worried about one of your mouthpieces "disappearing" IMO.

Victor.
I remember when you were a piglet here not long ago...:D He, he, he... True. I'm just trying to help. I mean, would you send the result of your hard work to a one week member with 1 post?

Victor.

[HonkBopSax]

Put me on the list for #4 - the totally reworked link!

I just made a modification to the needed items. In addition to name, address and the other stuff I'll also need your SOTW username. Thanks! Phil

[brasscane]

I mean, would you send the result of your hard work to a one week member with 1 post?

Victor.
Maybe not but try your luck with buying horns/mouthpieces and you will find that it is hit or miss independently membership length or post count. You think the posts of the lounge lizards are worth counting?

Phil, if you are worried, you could ask for a deposit from people signing up for the trial.

[stormott77]

I would just like to say to you guys on the pass around that I had the great pleasure of playing a NY and a Fusion of Phils. I just got a Lebayle about 2 months ago but after I play tested his mouthpieces I called Phill and talked to him about my needs. I have a Hollywood on order. Both mouthpieces I played of his were just beautiful players with great workmanship. He delivers. I want to stay away from the pass around because if I had the means I might just buy every mouthpiece Phil sells. Have fun and don't be shy to talk to Phil if the mouthpiece doesn't feel right to you. He will have some good insight to reed combos that will work great on his stuff.

[kevvieg]

I hear ya on this one. Been waiting 2 years for the Kessler baritone mouthpiece, during which time I god a killer Barone and a Berg as a backup.

I would love to be part of a pass around but of all the pass around threads that I have agreed to participate in (and there have been many of them), I have never received anything. I know mouthpiece makers want to get the most for their pass around so I'm wondering what the criteria is to be able to participate in a mouthpiece pass around.:?

[kevvieg]

I take issue with only including US members. I can see how it would take forever to deal with overseas requests, but I believe that Canadians should have a right to get in on it too. (Especially those of us who have given Phil consistent business and referrals).

[Nefertiti]

I think the thing with keeping it in the US is that all the shipments can be tracked. You can get delivery confirmation, tracking, insurance.etc. If anything were to happen at least all the paperwork would be there. I know when you outside the US tracking is gone. They won't guarantee it here and aren't able to track it form what I've been told so if it disappears you're out of luck. I don't know how Canada works.

[Nick Thompson]

I take issue with only including US members. I can see how it would take forever to deal with overseas requests, but I believe that Canadians should have a right to get in on it too. (Especially those of us who have given Phil consistent business and referrals).


....and don't forget Indonesia....

[gary]

I take issue with only including US members. I can see how it would take forever to deal with overseas requests, but I believe that Canadians should have a right to get in on it too. (Especially those of us who have given Phil consistent business and referrals).


....and don't forget Indonesia....

Well, as a guy who lived "overseas" for 20 years, I am the first to step up and say that we shouldn't leave overseas folks out of the loop if it's because we are still holding to some antiquated thinking about their countries and what services they have of don't have.

However, as a matter of practicality, IMO, the US candidates for the pass-around should go first because the mpc can circulate quickly. Things get a little bogged down at times shipping to and from Canada, and for those countries really overseas, shipping time, and especially customs, can turn into a bag of worms. It wouldn't be right to have six or seven folks waiting on one participant for a month for the mpc to make the round trip to country X.

[Bebopalot]

I take issue with only including US members. I can see how it would take forever to deal with overseas requests, but I believe that Canadians should have a right to get in on it too. (Especially those of us who have given Phil consistent business and referrals).


....and don't forget Indonesia....

.....and Tibet and Madagascar and Russia and Easter Island. Let's be fair. :TGNCHK:

[Phil Barone]

I mean, would you send the result of your hard work to a one week member with 1 post?

Victor.
Maybe not but try your luck with buying horns/mouthpieces and you will find that it is hit or miss independently membership length or post count. You think the posts of the lounge lizards are worth counting?

Phil, if you are worried, you could ask for a deposit from people signing up for the trial.

A deposit wouldn't cover it but if someone doesn't do the right thing I'm going to get a collection agency to handle it. So my question is has it happened? I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

[skeller047]

...I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

So that means I'm OK? No one would ever mistake me for "younger", much less a kid....

[Dr G]

A deposit wouldn't cover it but if someone doesn't do the right thing I'm going to get a collection agency to handle it. So my question is has it happened? I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

Phil: Have you considered asking everyone to cover insurance for the pieces?

Everyone: Would you be willing to pay insurance as well as shipping - especially if extending the pass 'round to Europe?

[brasscane]

So my question is has it happened?
Not that I know of. Raphyel's pass arourd with Ponzols was slowed down considerable from the piece sitting around somewhere. That may just have been from someone being away from home. However, it should be possible to avoid if you share a list with the order in which the pieces are to circulate from the beginning, and people on the list check the piece in and out. Including the tracking info would help as well. Could be done either by email or as a thread here.

Phil: Have you considered asking everyone to cover insurance for the pieces?

Everyone: Would you be willing to pay insurance as well as shipping - especially if extending the pass 'round to Europe?
That was the point with the deposit. Divide the cost of the mouthpiece by the number of participants in the trial and you have got the amount of the deposit. When the piece is safely back, the participants are reimbursed.

[Dr G]

Phil: Have you considered asking everyone to cover insurance for the pieces?

Everyone: Would you be willing to pay insurance as well as shipping - especially if extending the pass 'round to Europe?

That was the point with the deposit. Divide the cost of the mouthpiece by the number of participants in the trial and you have got the amount of the deposit. When the piece is safely back, the participants are reimbursed.

I am interested to learn answers to my question.

Whether you pay a deposit or not does not cover expenses of insurance and shipping to Europe. For a set of mouthpieces, the deposit would be well in excess of insurance costs and I would not care to be out $50-150 because someone else keeps or loses the mouthpieces either before or after I test them.

[kerry]

Phil,
if you ever do a contemporary, Id like to be on the list! Ive wanted to try that piece for along time on alto! Nearest store I know of is wwandbw in the next state over,lol.

[gary]

I don't think a deposit divided umteen ways will matter; seems like this is starting to get micromanaged.

To the best of my knowledge, Raphyel's pass-around was done with integrity. As I remember, there was one person who kept it longer than the others were keeping it.

Regarding insuring the mpc when it's sent on to the next testee, IMO that should be common sense. If the mpc is lost, you pay for it, Phil shouldn't have to eat the loss. But it's probably not a bad idea to make sure everyone understands this beforehand.

[Phil Barone]

...I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

So that means I'm OK? No one would ever mistake me for "younger", much less a kid....

Steven

Unfortunately you're pretty new around here. Phil

[Phil Barone]

A deposit wouldn't cover it but if someone doesn't do the right thing I'm going to get a collection agency to handle it. So my question is has it happened? I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

Phil: Have you considered asking everyone to cover insurance for the pieces?

Everyone: Would you be willing to pay insurance as well as shipping - especially if extending the pass 'round to Europe?

There's no way I'm sending the pieces out of the country. If someone steals a piece I have a collection agency to deal with them and it doesn't work outside of the US. But I'll tell ya, if someone were to take a piece not only would I be shocked but I'd never do another passaround. I imagine everyone would jump on them. I'm assuming that everyone will pay for the shipping to the next guy and insure it, right guys? Phil

[Bebopalot]

I think it would be irresponsible and borderline insane to send a mouthpiece that has been kindly sent to you to try on nothing more than good faith, without insurance, signature confirmation and whatever else can track the piece. Pass around pieces should be treated special by everyone involved. Let's not forget it's something we are borrowing from someone that takes what they are lending very seriously. In short, of course it should be insured at every shipping.

[Phil Barone]

I think it would be irresponsible and borderline insane to send a mouthpiece that has been kindly sent to you to try on nothing more than good faith, without insurance, signature confirmation and whatever else can track the piece. Pass around pieces should be treated special by everyone involved. Let's not forget it's something we are borrowing from someone that takes what they are lending very seriously. In short, of course it should be insured at every shipping.

You'd be surprised what's been done to me and sometimes people just flake out but I'll tell you, the first time someone keeps it more than five days they'll never get another thing from me and if they keep it my collection agency is vicious.. They'll destroy your credit for seven years.

While I have everyones attention, I'll expect you all to send it on to the next guy via priority mail with a tracking number. You'll all get a email with the details. Phil

[gary]

If someone steals a piece I have a collection agency to deal with them...

...three guys named Vinny, Carmen and Rocco. :twisted:

[oldcorollas]

I think the thing with keeping it in the US is that all the shipments can be tracked. You can get delivery confirmation, tracking, insurance.etc. If anything were to happen at least all the paperwork would be there. I know when you outside the US tracking is gone. They won't guarantee it here and aren't able to track it form what I've been told so if it disappears you're out of luck. I don't know how Canada works.
that sounds a little strange.
most countries have EMS/EMI/ECI (http://www.usps.com/international/expressmailinternational.htm) which is express, tracked, insured post (from USPS in the US), it is not so expensive ($30ish for 1lb from US to europe/japan, $15 to send back from japan) , but relative to local tracked insured post, a little more.

why would tracking be gone outside the US? as long as you are sending to on eof the 190 countries in the EMS/ECI system, should be fine :)

[gary]

I can't speak for Japan, but I just sent a package to Germany via USPS and tracking was not guaranteed once it left the US. Additionally, consider what you are asking the pass-around guy just before you to do and to pay for.

It's not fair that you can't be included in the pass around, I agree. But it's more unfair for another member to deal with the custom forms, shipping and postge fees to send the mpc to you, as well as it is for the people following you on the list to wait for it to make it to and from Japan, with the chance of it's getting hung up even longer in customs.

It may not seem it, but I'm on your side because I've seen some pretty silly things from sellers or what have you, with their stereotypes of foreign lands. But, unfortunately, I think I bring up some reasonable misgivings. Perhaps you can make some kind of special arrangements with Phil later.

[JonL]

It seems some of the other passarounds that have been done had some basic ground rules laid out ahead of time, such as each person being responsible to ship to the next on the list, along with a time limit. I'd be glad to see this go ahead just because I'd like to keep an eye on the reviews that come in and compare reactions to the mpc's. Especially if any of the reviewers get an opportunity to play the mpc on a gig and see what it can do in a live situation.

These are valuable mpc's, which probably means you don't necessarily get on the list simply by asking.

[oldcorollas]

I can't speak for Japan, but I just sent a package to Germany via USPS and tracking was not guaranteed once it left the US. Additionally, consider what you are asking the pass-around guy just before you to do and to pay for.

It's not fair that you can't be included in the pass around, I agree. But it's more unfair for another member to deal with the custom forms, shipping and postge fees to send the mpc to you, as well as it is for the people following you on the list to wait for it to make it to and from Japan, with the chance of it's getting hung up even longer in customs.

It may not seem it, but I'm on your side because I've seen some pretty silly things from sellers or what have you, with their stereotypes of foreign lands. But, unfortunately, I think I bring up some reasonable misgivings. Perhaps you can make some kind of special arrangements with Phil later.
hey, i'm not worthy of a "pass around" anyway :D

but if i was, and really wanted to be part of it, i would either:
Paypal the cost of shipping to person sending it to me, or
Organise to send it BACK to the person that sent it to me, with the cost of postage in the package, so that they can send it to the next local for the same cost as everyone else.

If labelled and formed correctly, customs is not an issue for many places, although some european countries have a zero limit for paying GST/duty, so that can be a problem. But I agree it is not fair to force someone to do that off their own bat, especially if they have no experience with that sort of thing.

i guess the implied meaning of "guarantee" is different for different countries? like the "all care, no responsibility" line when they use your packaged glass for football :D USPS does provide a "delivery date guarantee" for EMI though..

when i track, i know i can track from japan to other ECI countries from japanese page, but once in that other country, the receiver can track via their local page (US, Aus, Finland, Germany etc)

but it all comes down to being able to trust each receiver to do the right thing (local or otherwise) :). not everyone is trustworthy these days and you have to draw some kind of line in the sand 8-)

Perhaps for OS people, it would be better to organise a direct exchange with Phil, including deposit etc?.

[kerry]

Id do a pass around if I got between rock solid forum members like Mojobari and bootman(or like members). I'm not sure I want to get involved with someone who might not even insure it when they ship to me. Or someone after me claiming I damaged it when they did,etc. Anyway, in a perfect world the pass around method would absolutely rock. You can send this USPS with signature required and insurance for around $5 pretty much anywhere in the US. Id call that a bargain for a 4-5 day trial.

Keep me in touch if you pass around the contemp alto, and put me in bewteen super20dan and bootman,lol.

[brasscane]

I don't think a deposit divided umteen ways will matter; seems like this is starting to get micromanaged.
I disagree. It is really very simple. If the payments are made by PayPal and the rotation is completed within 60 days, the payments are fully refundable and Phil will be secure against loss. Having participants check the mouthpieces in and out and communicate tracking numbers is hardly asking much if Phil is putting his pieces on the line.

...the first time someone keeps it more than five days they'll never get another thing from me...
Sorry for the inconvenience Phil, but in that case you have to delete me from the list. I am out of town for a week from time to time and I do want to buy an alto from you when I have the cash.

[skeller047]

...I'm mainly worried about the younger kids. Phil

So that means I'm OK? No one would ever mistake me for "younger", much less a kid....

Steven

Unfortunately you're pretty new around here. Phil


OK, no problem. I sent you an email, but if you don't want to put me on the list that's fine. I understand completely.

And it's Stephen, not Steven - though I prefer Steve.

[gary]

I disagree. It is really very simple. If the payments are made by PayPal and the rotation is completed within 60 days, the payments are fully refundable and Phil will be secure against loss. Having participants check the mouthpieces in and out and communicate tracking numbers is hardly asking much if Phil is putting his pieces on the line.

Then I'll just point out that there have been other pass-arounds that have been relatively problem free.
My feeling is, if it ain't broken, don't complicate it. ;)

[jrvinson45]

If someone steals a piece I have a collection agency to deal with them...

...three guys named Vinny, Carmen and Rocco. :twisted:

Aside from the aforementioned credit rating destruction, it's extremely hard to practice long tones with broken ribs.:D

[Phil Barone]

I don't think a deposit divided umteen ways will matter; seems like this is starting to get micromanaged.
I disagree. It is really very simple. If the payments are made by PayPal and the rotation is completed within 60 days, the payments are fully refundable and Phil will be secure against loss. Having participants check the mouthpieces in and out and communicate tracking numbers is hardly asking much if Phil is putting his pieces on the line.

...the first time someone keeps it more than five days they'll never get another thing from me...
Sorry for the inconvenience Phil, but in that case you have to delete me from the list. I am out of town for a week from time to time and I do want to buy an alto from you when I have the cash.

Steen,

How often do you go out of town? Phil

[brasscane]

A week every 2-3 months for work. A couple of times a year I am gone for 10-14 days to visit my Mom and help her with things. Otherwise I turn things around in a couple of days.

[wisedude]

Hey Phil, when is this passaround starting? When you mailing these suckers out? I'm excited

[Turnaround]

Why don't you just post the list of reviewers openly so we know whose hands it's going to/coming from? Just the SOTW member names obviously.

[wisedude]

Why don't you just post the list of reviewers openly so we know whose hands it's going to/coming from? Just the SOTW member names obviously.

Yeah, it'd give us a good idea of when its coming. Also, are you formatting it so it goes to people who are closest to each other, to minimize shipping costs and delays?

[Phil Barone]

Hey Phil, when is this passaround starting? When you mailing these suckers out? I'm excited

I've decided to just send everyone their own piece. It will be easier that way. That way if someone wants to buy it they can just buy the piece they get and there won't be any holdups. Phil

[magical pig]

Hey Phil, when is this passaround starting? When you mailing these suckers out? I'm excited

I've decided to just send everyone their own piece. It will be easier that way. That way if someone wants to buy it they can just buy the piece they get and there won't be any holdups. Phil:shock::shock::shock:

Victor.

[DavidW]

Phil, I think you might be a marketing genius with that idea! I hope most of the trials sent out will sell for you.

[wisedude]

Phil, how will this work then?

[Honeyboy]

Me thinks Phil is pulling everyone's collective legs.

[rsclosson]

Hey Phil, when is this passaround starting? When you mailing these suckers out? I'm excited

I've decided to just send everyone their own piece. It will be easier that way. That way if someone wants to buy it they can just buy the piece they get and there won't be any holdups. Phil

If that is a serious offer, sign me up! Today I started a thread looking for a New York Tonemaster as a backup for the one I have. This might fill the bill!

[Phil Barone]

Phil, how will this work then?

Well, I'll call everyone before I send them a mouthpiece and if I approve you I'll send you a mouthpiece. That's all. Phil