Sorry...

[paulman]

......but my Super 20 mod.SG King Alto is not a N.H. Its number is 781973. The octave key is not rounded, that's like Selmer. I heard that those instruments were borned in Mexico. I don't think that. Can you say something about?

[Yellowhorn]

It sounds like you have a Super 21 horn. It is not a well-liked model like the Super 20. Some pictures will help.

[SearjeantSax]

It sounds like you have a Super 21 horn. It is not a well-liked model like the Super 20. Some pictures will help.

are you kidding??

super 21s are one of the MOST sought after horns. the super 21 was just a prototype made for a very shor time and are very good horns.

http://www.saxpics.com/king/s21.htm

what the OP has is just a umi king cleveland or something? not quite sure, need some clarity there.

[paulman]

It sounds like you have a Super 21 horn. It is not a well-liked model like the Super 20. Some pictures will help.

> Thanks for your answer, but in my Alto King bell is written King Super 20 Silver Sonic and not Super 21. The chiver is not well-rounded as photos of the Super 21 are showing.

[paulman]

are you kidding??

super 21s are one of the MOST sought after horns. the super 21 was just a prototype made for a very shor time and are very good horns.

http://www.saxpics.com/king/s21.htm

what the OP has is just a umi king cleveland or something? not quite sure, need some clarity there.

> I was opening the saxpics site, but there is no consideration about King horns after 736.000, when mine is 781.973- What misterious thing is this?

[SaxPlayer1004]

Saxpics seems stop when the company stops making "pro horns". Leblanc, Olds and Conn, as well as King seem to have stopped when they stopped making their pro model horns and went into the student horn market. Conn stops in the 80's with the DJH, King stops in the 70's spare the Super 21 in the mid 90's. If you scroll to the very bottom of the page there is some information about what your horn may be. They have seen Super 20's up until the 788xxx range, however they seemed to be intermixed with the student models at the time of the UMI take over.
http://www.saxpics.com/king/s20.htm
Series VI at the very bottom

[iranzi]

it must be a late silversonic. here is a favorable review of a similar horn -
www.shwoodwind.co.uk/Reviews/Saxes/Tenor/Late_KingS20_tenor.htm

[paulman]

it must be a late silversonic. here is a favorable review of a similar horn -
www.shwoodwind.co.uk/Reviews/Saxes/Tenor/Late_KingS20_tenor.htm

> Thank you very much for your information! Yes, that King is the model I have on Alto. It plays very well also if it is not more a N.H.
Thanks again.
Paolo Mannelli

[milandro]

Paolo, I've seen similar silver sonic in the serial number range that you are talking about and they can be very beautiful. I know of one here in Holland which is also very strange because the neck (not under-slung) is clearly too short for proper tuning (b.t.w. chiver is an expression very used in Italy but not very common elsewhere!).
Pardon me Saxplayer 1004......... it is not correct that King stopped making professional instruments in the '70! King made professional horns way into the '80! The thing is that even Saxpics hasn't all the info about every horn company!
Here you are, this is an appropriate and precise SN chart including your serial numbers range!
http://www.kingwinds.com/content/serialno.php

The Super 21 is a very rare horn indeed but that doesn't equate, necessarily, being very desirable or expensive!

[paulman]

Paolo, I've seen similar silver sonic in the serial number range that you are talking about and they can be very beautiful. I know of one here in Holland which is also very strange because the neck (not under-slung) is clearly too short for proper tuning (b.t.w. chiver is an expression very used in Italy but not very common elsewhere!).
Pardon me Saxplayer 1004......... it is not correct that King stopped making professional instruments in the '70! King made professional horns way into the '80! The thing is that even Saxpics hasn't all the info about every horn company!
Here you are, this is an appropriate and precise SN chart including your serial numbers range!
http://www.kingwinds.com/content/serialno.php

The Super 21 is a very rare horn indeed but that doesn't equate, necessarily, being very desirable or expensive!

> Thanks for your answer. I don't understand what you mean about "b.t.w."
I was speaking of HN King's well-rounded chiver (surrounded).
In the site you proposed I've find no sax.
Paolo Mannelli
there's no sax.

[milandro]

By the way=btw

those SN (serial numbers) are for both brass and woodwinds instruments
don't bother about the other menu's on the left that's something different they are current products by Conn-Selmer-King

[paulman]

By the way=btw

those SN (serial numbers) are for both brass and woodwinds instruments
don't bother about the other menu's on the left that's something different they are current products by Conn-Selmer-King

> O.K.

[Yellowhorn]

Your Super 20 is a very late one, with the regular (not underslung) octave mechanism and drawn tone holes as opposed to the preferred brazed ones. And the body was, if I am not mistaken, made overseas (Japan), and not
Eastlake, OH.

As for the response that the Super 21 is one of the most sought after horns, I will let seasoned S20 players on this forum comment on it.