Classic mothpiece for bari

[Mmoxey]

I know there are probably a million of thse threads but i want to know what is a good baritone sax classical mouthpiece.

Right now i use a Berg larsen 110 and it gives me a good tone for jazz but when i play classical with it, it sounds so out of place. :x

I heared Rahser are good but i don't know if i should go with a more open, less open, or stay the same with the size of chamber.

Thanks Mmoxey

[hakukani]

I'd recommend going for a selmer C* or D, or perhaps a Rousseau. Rascher mouthpieces (or so I've heard) take a lot of getting used to.

[ab1990]

Selmer D...very hard to sound bad on this mouthpiece.

'nuff said.

[retread]

The Vandoren BL mouthpieces are nice players with a full sound.

[cymru97]

I play a scroll shank D and love it. I also have a scroll shank C* that I should post for sale as I never use it anymore...

[Graysax]

All depends what you want to sound like and who you got showing (teaching) you.

I am of that Rascher world. I have played a Rascher, but most commonly I play a Caravan - basically the same MPC with some different "tweeks"

I have found alot of issues matching a Bari with a Classical MPC - more so then most other sizes of horn. I have a 1969 Buffet that I use all the time and it favors the caravan great. However when I had it off being silverplated, I was using a Mark VI that was a buddy's of mine and it hated the caravan - ended up using a Vandoren.

http://www.graysax.com/recordings.htm

The Recital 2004 was my Buffet with the Caravan and 2005 was the Selmer VI with the Vandoren

All in all I sound like "me" on both - so a good education should be what you are looking for to establish a good "tonal concept"

In short - You have to find what works for you and it helps if you have a qualified teacher holding your hand through such a big quest.

Good Luck
Charles

[cymru97]

The Recital 2004 was my Buffet with the Caravan and 2005 was the Selmer VI with the Vandoren

All in all I sound like "me" on both - so a good education should be what you are looking for to establish a good "tonal concept"


Wow, I certainly enjoyed both of the samples I listened to from 2004 and 2005! You guys are very enjoyable to listen to, I'll have to spend more time at your site!

I may be tricking myself but I felt I heard (albeit slight) differences in the pieces I listened to (4th movement of the Second Suite in F and Sailor's Hornpipe). Not sure which I prefer, they were both fantastic and I think your point regarding tonal concept and education over equipment rings true.

Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed they way the group approached those pieces.

[rbur]

Take the Rascher. Getting used to ist was no problem for me nor for my daughter.

[Joe Jazz]

All depends what you want to sound like and who you got showing (teaching) you.

I am of that Rascher world. I have played a Rascher, but most commonly I play a Caravan - basically the same MPC with some different "tweeks"

I have found alot of issues matching a Bari with a Classical MPC - more so then most other sizes of horn. I have a 1969 Buffet that I use all the time and it favors the caravan great. However when I had it off being silverplated, I was using a Mark VI that was a buddy's of mine and it hated the caravan - ended up using a Vandoren.

http://www.graysax.com/recordings.htm

The Recital 2004 was my Buffet with the Caravan and 2005 was the Selmer VI with the Vandoren

All in all I sound like "me" on both - so a good education should be what you are looking for to establish a good "tonal concept"

In short - You have to find what works for you and it helps if you have a qualified teacher holding your hand through such a big quest.

Good Luck
Charles

I enjoyed the recordings. Thanks for sharing!:)

[TenTenTooter]

Mmoxey, what kind of bari do you play on?

[JazzFox]

I know there are probably a million of thse threads but i want to know what is a good baritone sax classical mouthpiece.

Right now i use a Berg larsen 110 and it gives me a good tone for jazz but when i play classical with it, it sounds so out of place. :x

I heared Rahser are good but i don't know if i should go with a more open, less open, or stay the same with the size of chamber.

Thanks Mmoxey

I have a Selmer s80 I used on my Bari for classical but now I just use the link I have for it for jazz. Haven't played classical for years.
Actually, if you are interested, I would be willing to part with it.

-JF

[themacintrasher]

Selmer D...very hard to sound bad on this mouthpiece.

'nuff said.
It's pretty easy to sound bad on anything.

[Kini]

The Selmer S80's are the standard. I settled with a D, however, my teacher, who is a real pro, preferred a C**. (I had trialed a C*, C**, and D). I later picked up a S90 190, which is the same tip opening as the D, and I like it better. The S90 works better with a bronze neck, and the S80 better with the stock neck (Yani B901).

I did not like the Vandorens, I played flat on them all the way pushed in - a player issue to be sure, but I did not have the issue on the Selmers. I felt the Vandorens were to bright.

Jim Romain has stated before that he likes the smaller openings in order to use harder reeds.

Bottom line is order a few on trial if you don't have a stocking store near you. Cheaper yet, find a used S80 C*-D, and try it out for awhile. Then you would have a better understanding of what you like/don't like.

[Mmoxey]

TenTentooter i play mostly on a conn but at school i play a old selmer.. I don't really have a horn of my own so thats y my search is so hard

[Graysax]

Wow, I certainly enjoyed both of the samples I listened to from 2004 and 2005! You guys are very enjoyable to listen to, I'll have to spend more time at your site!

I may be tricking myself but I felt I heard (albeit slight) differences in the pieces I listened to (4th movement of the Second Suite in F and Sailor's Hornpipe). Not sure which I prefer, they were both fantastic and I think your point regarding tonal concept and education over equipment rings true.

Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed they way the group approached those pieces.

FYI We will be performing at the 2009 Navy Sax Symposium in January at George Mason University

[qwerty]

Wow, I certainly enjoyed both of the samples I listened to from 2004 and 2005! You guys are very enjoyable to listen to, I'll have to spend more time at your site!

I may be tricking myself but I felt I heard (albeit slight) differences in the pieces I listened to (4th movement of the Second Suite in F and Sailor's Hornpipe). Not sure which I prefer, they were both fantastic and I think your point regarding tonal concept and education over equipment rings true.

Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed they way the group approached those pieces.

Yeah, but that alto player SUCKS!:D

[Graysax]

I know - I think He posts here under a Silly name - Qwerty or something like that

[BeyondSax]

The Vandoren BL mouthpieces are nice players with a full sound.

I agree with retread, as I have a Vandoren BL4. It's easy to play, good full tone and so on. I also have a Yani 5 and a Yamaha 5C which are good.

[dburlone]

On my Weltklang bari when I sub in concert bands and with my quartet, I play a Caravan. I've tried Selmer C* and D (scroll shanks) from the recommendation of some players I know. It's a great sound, and super responsive.

Just like with other horns bari needs just the right mixture of brightness/darkness/projection/volume etc. I think the Caravan captured most of that for me, and it required nearly no time to get used to.

If it helps you for a point of reference, I play a Runyon Custom Bari piece (10 facing)

Good luck with your mouthpiece search!

[macdaddysax26]

I prefer the Selmer S90 170, but then I'm a fan of close tip openings and a more "French" sound. So as always, YMMV.

[barisax21]

I'd recommend going for a selmer C* or D, or perhaps a Rousseau. Rascher mouthpieces (or so I've heard) take a lot of getting used to.

exactly these are great. dont let the price turn you away!

[SaxPlayer1004]

If you can find a goldbeck you may want to try that. I prefer metal mouthpieces for whatever reason, and I tried a buddies goldbeck and loved it. He won't sell it unfortunately and they are rather hard to find. In the meantime I'm playing a C*, although I have had good results with the stock yamaha 5c. It's a very versatile mouthpiece and I still use it for wind ensemble and pit work if I need a bit more edge than I can get with a c*.